re: Official Avengers thread

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i think you're stretching

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wut?

I think the setup for the dramatic tension was pretty straight forward.

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i think you're stretching

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No he's not. You are trying to force your preconceived notion that the film has to have plotholes out there when there aren't any and no one is buying into it. There were no plotholes. If you didn't like the story, that's fine, but stop trying to say there are plotholes when there were none.

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I think the setup for the dramatic tension was pretty straight forward

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I never felt as though any Avenger was in any amount of danager through out the entire movie.

18 pages and 200 million opening weekend....

This movie is amazing!!!

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let me ask you all this

how did you react to transformers 3 last summer?

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I enjoyed it. Still wish they had someone else in Sam's role and it was a diminished.

Actually, I would have enjoyed it more if Josh Duhamel's character was the lead human rather than Sam. Sam's parents were hilarious though, but he was the biggest drag on the film series. Glad they dropped Leo and Michaela. I don't mind humor in my action movies, but it was very hit or miss in this entire series. Loved the action though. Wish there was more of it, but then again, my new standard for big budget action movies is The Avengers so that's what I'm going to judge pretty much every big budget ($150 mil+) movie on from now own, but I'll be lenient on the movies for this summer. But movies like Pacific Rim and Man of Steel better bring it, because my action standards are high as can be now.

For T3, I'll give it a 8.5-9.0 on the action movie scale. Like I said, the humor was hit or miss, and Sam's character was just a nuance to me at this point. That was a classic example of trying to appease non-action fans with a character's drama and shite but taking away from what the film is meant to be. The franchise is called The Transformers, focus on them, not Sam's Great Alien Robot Adventure. That said, the climatic battle was top notch with a great opening money line.

I'm glad that with T4 they are dropping Sam and his family/love interest and focusing more on the Transformers themselves. If they can bring back Josh Duhamel's character for the continuity factor, I'd be happy with that. But for the love of God use IMAX cameras and give us a bigger image view of the action. I want a better idea of the size and scope of the battles that are taking place. Avatar was great at creating a sense of size and scope. HTTYD brought it to animated films (Megamind was exceptional in this regard) and The Avengers showed you how to make it work for a big action movie. Follow the playbook.

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Nah, I've seen both of the Hulk movies. It was a plot hole/poor writing

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Then apparently you have a bad memory or bad recall or you are lying because this isn't the first time that Hulk has had moments of clarity. Hell he even took care of a character while Hulked out. It's not a stretch by any means to say that in the mean time he as able to control his anger more and direct his rage while Hulked out, because we've seen him do it before.

Like I said, not a plothole, just your own problem.

He didn't just have "a moment of clarity." Bruce Banner had complete or close to complete control in the final fight sequence. Every single time Bruce hulking out is discussed or when it actually happens in this movie it's either blatantly stated/shown or heavily implied that he's a wild, irrational smashing monster with zero self control. They make this painfully obvious. It's not logical to go from that to how he behaves in the final fight sequence with no explanation.

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That's fine. I'm simply stated that Stark was in danger and due to the way that moment was foreshadowed it would be rational to assume he might get stuck in the other dimension.

Just because the viewers know about the "next" Iron Man movie or because the previews gave something away has no bearing on the writing of the movie itself.

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And for all we know, he could have been stuck out there. Could have been the intro to his movie. But hey people on here that have no knowledge of the movie or it's backstory are clearly smarter than you and I who actually watched the film and understood and processed what we watched, so why bother with them? They are set in their ignorant, stupid ways, so let them be happy with their ignorant stupid ways.

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how did you react to transformers 3 last summer?

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I saw it on cable a couple of months ago, and to me, it had the same stale jokes & CGI that Bay used in the first Transformers. It just rang hollow for me.

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i'll give you the differentiation in TDK and Avengers. but first class compares, and is a vastly superior film

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I absolutely loved First Class, it's in my Top 5 Comic Book Movies of All-Time. But even though it does have humor & incredible CGI, it takes itself more seriously than The Avengers does by tackling heavy dramatic themes of revenge, retribution, genocide, rejection, inadequacy, loss, etc.. that weighs 1st Class down in comparison with a pure popcorn superhero movie like the Avengers that just soars with well-timed fresh humor & action.

When you get on a roller-coaster at a theme park, how often are you hammered with social messages or heavy themes? The Avengers is just a better pure ride.