re: OFFICIAL - The Dark Knight Rises Discussion Thread - *SPOILERS*

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The answer, and I'm sure Polar Bear agrees with me, is this: While Christopher Nolan has grounded Batman in a state of heightened reality and realism in his trilogy, these movies are still just movies. Nothing in them could ever happen in real life. Nolan's job is to try to make it appear as if these things could happen even though the vast majority of us know that it couldn't. That's the point of movies and Nolan's films are no different.

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yes, but most on this board like to think they're "deep" and criticize every little detail of each the movies

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This trilogy wasn't realistic, the tone was realistic.

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Couldn't put it ANY better

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when Batman flips an 18 wheeler by stringing some cable around on his bike.

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makes for a sweet scene on Blu Ray with surround sound though

Let's take time to put LOST in perspective for a sec. This thread JUST NOW reached the length of a single episode of Lost.

CHARLIE!!!

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Let's take time to put LOST in perspective for a sec. This thread JUST NOW reached the length of a single episode of Lost.

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Oh, how I miss those days.

I think the fact that people put them under this microscope is more a testament to the fact that Nolan is a good filmmaker and these films make you think about the plot, little details, etc.

Well if that didn't happen we'd have a pretty boring discussion on our hand

I like hearing every conceivable criticism. If someone presents a plot hole, I want to fill them in and vice versa. Plus I like to use my imagination a little and don't need every single thing spelled out for me

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It depends on what kind of criticism you're talking about. What you are doing is nitpicking and, while some of your nitpicks are valid, the vast majority of them can be explained away by what the characters tell us.

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You missed the point of my review. In story telling you define the characters by what they do, first and foremost. In the grand scheme of the trilogy, some characters were also defined by their purpose first and foremost. When their actions go against their character or goal, having the characters simply say something to alleviate this tension is lazy. Either give us clearer motivations or make that tension part of the story.

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then suddenly trusts someone he barely knows with a device that could destroy Gotham?

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Just to keep the discussion going, and to respond to your claim regarding Wayne and trust. You stated you had an issue with Wayne "suddenly" trusting someone like Miranda, despite the fact that he had known her for years, and thought she was a good person.

In Begins, Batman trusted Gordon quite explicitly, and even recklessly, in two situations - entrusting him with Rachel's dying body at Arkum, and trusting him with saving the entire city with a vehicle he had never operated.

Gordon could have easily become a corrupt pawn of Falconi, masquerading as a good cop, yet Batman took him at face value and trusted him based on his previous actions and overall character...not unlike the manner in which he trusted Miranda.

Here's the ending in case anyone wants to rewatch it. No way he survives the blast.

Spoiler Alert

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Miranda says herself that Wayne needed to learn to trust her so it was apparent at the beginning of the movie there was still a lack of trust in Wayne due to the events of TDK.

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He still trusted those who were closest to him. Miranda was referring to his lack of trust for the world abroad. She said, "If you want to help the world you have to first learn to trust it." To which Bruce replies, "I trust you." Miranda then retorts, "That doesn't count because you have no choice." Bruce still trusts a precious few people such as Lucius Fox, a man who strongly advised him to give the reins of Wayne Enterprises to Miranda Tate.