re: Leaving Neverland

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Its a hot take to say innocent people dont pay people off?

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No it's not...innocent celebrities pay people off to make stuff go away. There is nothing new or earth shattering about that fact.

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Making it go away is the best option regardless of innocence or guilt

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But MJ didn't make it go away. Let's say, for argument's sak, that the 1993 $23MM settlement was simply to "make it go away".

First, usually payments to "make it go away" are a tad bit more than what it would take to actually go to trial. They are not $23MM settlements and I don't care how rich the celebrity is. Our POTUS allegedly paid a porn star $150K to "make it go away." That is "make it go away" money.

$23MM isn't making it go away money. It is, "we are terrified that this case might become public record, and we are going to do whatever we have to do to make sure this person doesn't talk ever." It is almost punitive damages level.

Second, any one who pays $23MM and didn't do it would immediately raze Neverland to the ground and never be associated with children in one-on-one situations. But he didn't. In fact he expanded Neverland. He increased the number of children around him...why?

Because he is a friggin child molester. It's what they do. He thinks it's normal because he is mentally insane. Child molesters simply are not "cured" or scared straight. They are genetically deficient somehow and they must be eradicated from the planet.

All I can say is I fell asleep during the first half and I don't care to go back and watch the rest

True or not, Mike was a creepy dude, and so was everybody else in in the doc

The parents may have been the worst

The context of sexual abuse is the only reason that certain things make sense. For example, the master bedroom at neverland has a staircase and a guest room directly above it only accessible from the master bedroom. That is some midevil shite and the entire construction of that place shows the intent.

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For example, the master bedroom at neverland has a staircase and a guest room directly above it only accessible from the master bedroom.

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Also, there were a series of bells leading all the way to master bedroom to alert if anyone was approaching.

I think you are dead wrong about this. Particularly sex crimes now. You can no longer drop charges and settle out of court or in civil court. Once sexual assault charges are filed and police are involved the victim cannot undo the process that has been started.

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Just a theory, but I don't think he did anything with Macaulay. Macaulay had money, so bribing him and the parents wouldn't work. Imagine the headline " Michael Jackson Acccused of Raping Home Alone Star."

A lot harder to defend against that than some poor kid from Australia and wherever the other kid was from.

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100%

Macauley was too big of a star to be a target.

I did notice the details from both guys accounts were the same. Bend over and show me your butthole, suck my nipples while I finish, etc.

So either this happened or the show's producers fed them the same story. I tend to believe the former. This guy was a fricking looney tune.

1. He thought he was a child
2. He was gay
3. He had adult physiological urges

That combo led to him doing sexual things with young boys he considered his equals in age and maturity.

I think the American family story was wild. He would sneak out and stay over at their middle class house for sleepovers. The mom would bake them cookies and do his laundry.

Clearly Michael wanted to feel like he had a normal mom and dad and was a normal kid, on top of whatever perverted shite he was into.

That mom was strict about them not sharing a room for a while, even while traveling, and then she just completely let up on that rule. I felt like Michael lulled their worries to sleep by being the kid's best friend and legitimately acting like a 10 year old around them.

They probably thought "this guy is weird AF, but he's a harmless child trapped in a man's body".

It is still absurd what they allowed, but I didn't realize how long Michael groomed the families, as you said.

Chuckling to myself at the Gen X and Millennials on my social media feeds who are just now realizing that MJ was a fricking freak and a monster.

"Normal" celebrities have been damned over single allegations. This freak-show skated while he repeatedly and publicly lured kids into his Peter Pan nightmare.

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What I find fascinating is the jealousy the kids felt when they got traded in for a younger kid.

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I remember reading about this exact same thing from some of the victims of Jerry Sandusky. They felt left out and jealous when Sandusky moved on to another kid.

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For example, the master bedroom at neverland has a staircase and a guest room directly above it only accessible from the master bedroom.


Also, there were a series of bells leading all the way to master bedroom to alert if anyone was approaching.

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What? That doesn't sound normal to you?