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re: Just watched Solo
Posted on 7/6/20 at 10:15 am to Breesus
Posted on 7/6/20 at 10:15 am to Breesus
I don’t even know who they are, but obviously, since I as a relatively big Star Wars fan could come to such a conclusion, I’m sure I’m not the only one to. I’m pretty consistent on my dislike of prequels as a story-telling device in general. I like Rogue One because the overwhelming majority of the characters that drive the story are new to the audience. We know the ending (the rebels get the plans), which spoils some of the suspense, but we still don’t know what happens to the characters themselves until the very end. The characters we know about (Tarkin, Vader, etc) are basically just there to play bit roles. That’s why Rogue One is such a successful prequel while Solo is just okay.
I think Solo would have been a better movie if it avoided covering the stories we already know about Han, glossed over those, and gave us more heisting and smuggling, rather than just using those activities as plot devices to arrive at the main known events in Han’s life (befriending chewie, getting the falcon, nailing the kessel run, etc)
I think Solo would have been a better movie if it avoided covering the stories we already know about Han, glossed over those, and gave us more heisting and smuggling, rather than just using those activities as plot devices to arrive at the main known events in Han’s life (befriending chewie, getting the falcon, nailing the kessel run, etc)
This post was edited on 7/6/20 at 10:17 am
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Posted on 7/6/20 at 10:15 am to kingbob
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I know it seems silly, but I already know that Han was a smuggler, that he did the Kessel Run, that he won the falcon in a poker game against Lando, and that Chewie owes him a life debt in exchange for saving his life. I don’t need to watch a movie detailing all of that because it’s already known.
To each their own, but most of this applies to every origin story.
I mean, there isn't all of a sudden going to be a Batman origin story where his parents live. I'm more of the mind that the scale is more how they bring the knowns to life.
I thought Solo did that successfully. There are new bits like the train heist and his live interest mixed with the knowns, and they're brought to life in an entertaining way that's true to the character.
Posted on 7/6/20 at 10:18 am to Rep520
Did I mention I also hate superhero reboot origin stories?
I really don’t have any interest in seeing Uncle Ben die for the 5th time on screen. Just tell fun superhero adventures with the character already fully formed!
I really don’t have any interest in seeing Uncle Ben die for the 5th time on screen. Just tell fun superhero adventures with the character already fully formed!
Posted on 7/6/20 at 10:35 am to kingbob
Fair enough. I can appreciate that you're not a fan of the origin story.
As origin stories go, I thought Solo was good. I do agree being an origin story changes how you view a movie. I just thought Solo executed the necessary character background well while delivering a fun movie.
As origin stories go, I thought Solo was good. I do agree being an origin story changes how you view a movie. I just thought Solo executed the necessary character background well while delivering a fun movie.
Posted on 7/6/20 at 10:44 am to Rep520
Agreed, it’s a competent origin story for a character that is already well known with an established backstory.
The only real flaw in the movie, from that perspective, is that I thought the lead who played Han really wasn’t charismatic enough. He came across as naive (which I guess makes sense as he’s still young), idealistic, and trusting. He’s also not very quippy or sarcastic.
While the sequel trilogy gets flack for jamming in far too many Marvel-esque jokes in moments that should be serious, a movie that is essentially a buddy heist movie with the smarmiest character from the OG trilogy is the perfect time for that.
I wonder if the original director had taken it in that direction only to get overruled by Disney and replaced for that reason. I mean, Han, Chewie, and a Lando played by Donald Glover with the director of the Jump Street franchise sounds like the perfect situation for an action/comedy buddy heist movie in space. Instead, they seemed to keep it semi-serious, but sorta campy for most of the movie before a real serious turn in the third act with the big villain reveals.
Like I said, the movie was okay, but I feel it could have been better.
The only real flaw in the movie, from that perspective, is that I thought the lead who played Han really wasn’t charismatic enough. He came across as naive (which I guess makes sense as he’s still young), idealistic, and trusting. He’s also not very quippy or sarcastic.
While the sequel trilogy gets flack for jamming in far too many Marvel-esque jokes in moments that should be serious, a movie that is essentially a buddy heist movie with the smarmiest character from the OG trilogy is the perfect time for that.
I wonder if the original director had taken it in that direction only to get overruled by Disney and replaced for that reason. I mean, Han, Chewie, and a Lando played by Donald Glover with the director of the Jump Street franchise sounds like the perfect situation for an action/comedy buddy heist movie in space. Instead, they seemed to keep it semi-serious, but sorta campy for most of the movie before a real serious turn in the third act with the big villain reveals.
Like I said, the movie was okay, but I feel it could have been better.
This post was edited on 7/6/20 at 10:45 am
Posted on 7/6/20 at 10:49 am to jlovel7
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Nothing really special
I disagree
This made me feel like a teenager again.
Posted on 7/6/20 at 10:58 am to kingbob
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The only real flaw in the movie, from that perspective, is that I thought the lead who played Han really wasn’t charismatic enough. He came across as naive (which I guess makes sense as he’s still young), idealistic, and trusting.
I'll say, I don't think anyone could match Ford's charisma in the Han role. Any new actor was going to, IMO, be somewhat less charismatic. I didn't think Ehrenreich was so far off that it hampered the movie.
Part of my disappointment about box office killing any expansion was being able to see the naive idealism get replaced with the jaded sarcasm we see with Ford. I thought having someone he loved and trusted abandon him at the end of Solo was a good jumping off point for that character arc. Another Solo prequel could have shown his character responding to that by hardening and becoming the Han we know.
Even the second encounter with Lando shows a little bit of that, where Han is smarter about the trick Lando has up his sleeve. Having a second movie to connect and show the character's development could provide the bridge.
Posted on 7/6/20 at 11:23 am to kingbob
quote:This really seems to be an annoying thing trend now.
It’s okay. What I really dislike about it, though, is the fact that it’s a prequel. I know it seems silly, but I already know that Han was a ...
quote:Yep, it does scale everything back down a few notches.
The fact that he’s already an established character removes nearly all suspense. He has the ultimate plot armor, as does Chewie and Lando. They cannot die because I’ve already seen them in future movies.
It's also one of the problems I have with the sequels; we now know what happens to the rest of the characters, and the Star Wars conflict.
I want to go into an adventure without it set in stone who lives. I know we have expectations on this, but expectations are different than knowing already there's another movie.
Posted on 7/6/20 at 11:54 am to jlovel7
I still haven't seen the whole thing. I watched about 30 minutes of it before falling asleep. Not because of the film though. I need to give it another shot.
From what I did see, I did not care for the actor playing Han.
From what I did see, I did not care for the actor playing Han.
Posted on 7/6/20 at 12:01 pm to RLDSC FAN
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From what I did see, I did not care for the actor playing Han.
I feel like if you accept up front no one can fill Ford's shoes, he grows on you.
You get more of the character in the action/adventure sequences. At least I thought they built to a point where I was fine with him as Han. You just can't touch the original.
Posted on 7/6/20 at 1:40 pm to Rep520
So uh yeah. It's not a good place.
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