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Just watched Exit Through the Gift Shop
Posted on 7/3/11 at 10:00 pm
Posted on 7/3/11 at 10:00 pm
Is Mister Brainwash a hoax, or an alter ego of Banksy?
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Posted on 7/3/11 at 10:01 pm to juice4lsu
Posted on 7/3/11 at 10:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
SFP speechless...wow...
Posted on 7/3/11 at 10:58 pm to juice4lsu
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Is Mister Brainwash a hoax, or an alter ego of Banksy?
Its not bansky but its much debated whether it was all a sham, orchestrated by him.
Posted on 7/4/11 at 12:22 am to barry
it does not make sense that it was real
the footage used in the first half alone is proof, in my eyes. no way something so coordinated could have ended up on film, based on teh story they gave us during the film.
the footage used in the first half alone is proof, in my eyes. no way something so coordinated could have ended up on film, based on teh story they gave us during the film.
Posted on 7/4/11 at 4:48 am to juice4lsu
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Is Mister Brainwash a hoax, or an alter ego of Banksy?
There have been some great debates on this subject.
The consensus seems to be that Banksy fabricated the Mister Brainwash character to demonstrate how commercialized the art world has become. Someone who didn't earn their stripes (or exhibit above-average talent) became a mainstream success over night.
After the art show, exit through the gift shop.
Posted on 7/4/11 at 11:10 am to Afreaux
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The consensus seems to be that Banksy fabricated the Mister Brainwash character to demonstrate how commercialized the art world has become. Someone who didn't earn their stripes (or exhibit above-average talent) became a mainstream success over night.
This.
Mr. Brainwash's art wasn't just bad, it was perfectly bad.
Posted on 7/4/11 at 11:31 am to Fewer Kilometers
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Mr. Brainwash's art wasn't just bad, it was perfectly bad.
from the ground up
re-using old images, warhol-style
using computers
relying on assistants to do the actual creation
but still, the footage, pre-brainwash, makes is almost impossible for banksy to have created/edited the actual film unless he was in on it from the beginning.
OR, they lied about the lack of organization, which still makes it fake, just in a different way
Posted on 7/4/11 at 11:40 am to SlowFlowPro
My thinking is that the movie is 100% Banksy.
Posted on 7/4/11 at 11:44 am to SlowFlowPro
What afreaux is saying is correct, but i actually think that the footage of brainwash as just the cameraman, and the footage of him owning the thrift store are also real. he started out as a cameraman and as banksy got the idea to make this movie, he turned a cameraman into a character to make his point.
there is no way that this yahoo just happened to weasel his way into the inner circle of an international secret group.
there is no way that this yahoo just happened to weasel his way into the inner circle of an international secret group.
Posted on 7/4/11 at 11:46 am to Haplochrom
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but i actually think that the footage of brainwash as just the cameraman, and the footage of him owning the thrift store are also real.
well the footage of everything before thierry becomes the centerpiece is SUPPOSED to be unlabeled. like 2 years of constant filming without any organization.
for banksy to be able to go through 2 years of film to find the seminal moments of thierry's rise is absurd
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there is no way that this yahoo just happened to weasel his way into the inner circle of an international secret group.
i didn't want to go there, but definitely agree
Posted on 7/4/11 at 11:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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OR, they lied about the lack of organization, which still makes it fake, just in a different way
Agreed, Banksy wouldn't let himself be filmed unless A) he had control of the video after being filmed, or B) there was a plan for the footage the whole time.
It was either entirely fabricated, or it became fabricated when Banksy got involved(which who knows if the timeline in the movie is correct anyway).
Either way, it was still entertaining.
Posted on 7/4/11 at 11:51 am to TheChosenOne
there are lots of internet-based searches for things that would prove the reality of this all
1. thierry's clothing shop. as far as i've seen, nobody has been able to locate this shop
2. thierry's art in major galleries for sale. we get sales numbers from teh doc, but most people who have looked at galleries haven't found any works. we KNOW there were at least 2 real, "street" exhibitions for brainwash (1 i LA, 1 in NYC), but we don't know how successful these really were, or if any reputable gallery is selling his works
1. thierry's clothing shop. as far as i've seen, nobody has been able to locate this shop
2. thierry's art in major galleries for sale. we get sales numbers from teh doc, but most people who have looked at galleries haven't found any works. we KNOW there were at least 2 real, "street" exhibitions for brainwash (1 i LA, 1 in NYC), but we don't know how successful these really were, or if any reputable gallery is selling his works
Posted on 7/4/11 at 12:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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well the footage of everything before thierry becomes the centerpiece is SUPPOSED to be unlabeled. like 2 years of constant filming without any organization.
for banksy to be able to go through 2 years of film to find the seminal moments of thierry's rise is absurd
i think you are misinterpreting me. i think the footage of them for the two years, was him being hired to shoot and edit them for two years. their was a plan for the footage in some way, but he was literally just a cameraman. probably a family member of one of the top tier artists, but not how they present it in the movie.
at some point, banksy changes the story to be about how commercially terrible the art is, and the camera man becomes the character.
make more sense?
This post was edited on 7/4/11 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 7/4/11 at 12:11 pm to Haplochrom
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i think you are misinterpreting me.
i was just refining what i said earlier
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but he was literally just a cameraman. probably a family member of one of the top tier artists, but not how they present it in the movie.
i agree
many people have proposed thierry is actually banksy, as well
i don't believe that. banksy almost has to be british, in my eyes
Posted on 7/4/11 at 12:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
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many people have proposed thierry is actually banksy, as well
i don't believe that. banksy almost has to be british, in my eyes
What was interesting was the blind taste test for frozen french fries that thierry and banksy held on the rooftop.
Posted on 7/4/11 at 12:31 pm to Afreaux
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The consensus seems to be that Banksy fabricated the Mister Brainwash character to demonstrate how commercialized the art world has become. Someone who didn't earn their stripes (or exhibit above-average talent) became a mainstream success over night.
I agree with this
Posted on 7/4/11 at 1:13 pm to VOR
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What was interesting was the blind taste test for frozen french fries that thierry and banksy held on the rooftop.
Posted on 7/4/11 at 1:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 7/4/11 at 1:32 pm to VOR
So is this movie worth watching?
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