re: Is the Showtime series Shameless any good?

Me and the wife have been binge watching this. Seasons 1-3 were really good. I think once they got to 4 they ran out of material and have drastically changed every characters 3 season development.

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Like all of a sudden Fiona snorts coke with Liam crawling around, or Just up and gets married cause she was trying to one up the guy. Fiona never made a decision without thinking about how it would affect her role as cargiver of the kids. then all of a sudden they make her go off the rails just to have a plot for a season. I also think Frank dying the miraculously coming back is a bit much. Shold have never made him go that far down the death line not to have killed him. And Debbie is a straight bitch.

But they have done well with a few characters like Lip slowly realizing that life in the hood will ruin him or how Mickey slow started to accept being gay. I think they did well with them.

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Like all of a sudden Fiona snorts coke with Liam crawling around, or Just up and gets married cause she was trying to one up the guy. Fiona never made a decision without thinking about how it would affect her role as cargiver of the kids. then all of a sudden they make her go off the rails just to have a plot for a season.

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yes. you can go back in this thread and see me comment about the show in real time while that was going on. that storyline suuuuuucked. i didn't watch after that year

Dominique's dad has been one of my favorite characters the last two seasons

I just finished season 5, so i dont know what all happens in season 6. But another thing what pissed me off in season 5 was Vee, and Kevin was the only stable and lasting relationship. And they messed with that dinamic. I think the show lost a lot of hope when they screwed with the one thing that was consistent. And my wife says im like Kev, answering question very literally like he does.

I think Carls story line is stupid. He is only slightly smarter then the retarded Chucky, yet he does all this shite and barely gets caught. IDK what the other poster said about him becoming a kingpin, but it only reinforced my thought about how stupid the writting for his character is.

Ian's is ok. I mean he was a very straight(not ) character but once his bipolar hits it is wacko, which i believe is farly normal for a person to all of a sudden become a different person once they become bipolar. But i also think that's a copout on the writers to use that excuse. And the Actor just plays this same character as the joker in Gotham.

spoilers dont bother me at all. I usually read up on things prior and my wife hates it.


I stil need to get back to Black sails cause i stopped after the season 3.

Sidebar i love Vane as Jody. Jody was a great character just to have them stupidly write him off along with Karen. Why did that have Karen gone for almost a whole season just to bring her back and "kill" her character?

I am on season 5, started watching during the holidays. I have slowly turned on every character and feel like nobody has any redeeming qualities. I liked Fiona in the beginning but as of now, I can't stand her and i think she gets what she deserves. I loved Debbie at first but now I just wish she would go elope with some white trash dude, and live her life flipping burgers at burger king with 4 kids and get the hell off the show. Frank, i've hated him since season 1, was really excited when I thought he died for good. Lip, is on a thin line. Glad he is getting out of the slums but ultimately all the trashy fighting he does and shitty treatment of women just makes me go back to disliking him by the end of most episodes. Ian, hard to care about him anymore. Either commit him to taking his meds and get him back in school or leave in the mental hospital. Can't sympathize anymore with him. Frank's daughter from another mother, can't stand her. Her son, bless his heart. They need to put him in foster care and let us pretend like he gets a happy ending. Kev and V, for awhile i was fast forwarding through all the baby drama but started actually watching all their scenes after Kev came back from visiting Lip at college. I'm on the fence with them now. Liam is the only family member i like and am rooting for. Everyone else i am rooting for death by house fire.

Its a pretty awesome show. Some of the most hilarious and awkawrd circumstances in any show ever.

I feel like the 7th season redeems Fiona and Carl from the stupidity they were in 4-6

Debbie and Lip become worse. Debbie almost unbearably worse.

Frank is still Frank.

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I feel like the 7th season redeems Fiona and Carl from the stupidity they were in 4-6

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Carl, definitely... Fiona... not as much. She just got really really really lucky on the laundromat deal, which was a stupid and selfish thing to do in the first place... not even counting backstabbing Etta in the process.

I'd bet almost anything that the building she just bought ends up with her being screwed over.

Kev is the best on the show, really no disputing that.