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re: Is Into the Wild as rewatchable for everyone else..

Posted on 3/11/15 at 2:51 pm to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 3/11/15 at 2:51 pm to
The Stampede trail really isn't isolated in a sense. It's used by hunters and trappers and hell, our company does Jeep tours down part of the trail but it's pretty quiet in winter. He was either really really stupid or committing suicide. I find it hard to believe anyone with some intelligence wouldn't be more prepared out there.
Posted by Chef Leppard
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Posted on 3/11/15 at 3:07 pm to
As ive said ,I won't argue the quality of the film because thats clearly subjective. But I dont mind discussing the interpretation of the theme or character at all

But...

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unbelievably unlikable, immature fool


this really puzzles me. but apparently McCandless really irks the shite out of some people

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 His political views were infantile


I didnt see his views as political. Only that his feelings were that people generally mistreat one another badly. Especially those closest to us. and that money corrupts meaningful human experiences for the most part. I guess you either agree with that in some part or don't. I do more or less

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When he died, I thought, "Whelp, that's what you get, idiot."


And here. I was more "damn kid. you made some fatal miscalculations. hate that you werent able to hang on long enough to overcome your past and evolve" But I believe the world is a better place with free spirited, free thinkers

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glorification of someone "brave enough" to go out and "conquer the elements," shirk the responsibilities of society and civilization and return to a primal state. 


And I don't get this as the message at all. I feel like his duplicitous emotions about love and human relationships is what was driving him into the wild. He was maturing through his experiences, as we all hopefully have the chance to do. His epiphanies just came a little too late. But he was a romantic figure that felt deeply. Which I think is what certain people connect with. Or don't


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Sorry, it's just not my movie. To me, there are plenty of movies with great soundtracks and great acting



Fair enough I'm not knocking anyone for disliking the movie at all


But I might not be wrong in thinking some people bring a certain preconception to this because Sean Penn and/or Eddie Veddars name is on it. Two guys with some polarizing political views. I dont think they pervade this film at all though
Posted by tiderider
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Posted on 3/11/15 at 3:23 pm to
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I think it's a bit of a sappy bore.


bingo ...

Posted by LoveThatMoney
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Posted on 3/11/15 at 3:24 pm to
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I dont think they pervade this film at all though


Disagree completely. He discusses his political views with his parents at the start of the movie.
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I didnt see his views as political. Only that his feelings were that people generally mistreat one another badly. Especially those closest to us. and that money corrupts meaningful human experiences for the most part. I guess you either agree with that in some part or don't. I do more or less

I do as well. I have actually recently discussed with my wife pulling back from things and trying to live a little simpler. She likes the finer things, though. Regardless, and despite my actually deep-seeded urge to find my own place away from civilization, the movie fell flat to me. It drug along from vignette to vignette, all the while not giving me a real reason to connect with the guy. The only reason I felt any connection was my own inherent need to escape and Hirch's performance, but the fact remained that I didn't like him. At all. And in a movie so heavily character driven, it really comes down to that. The movie bored me, as a result, and by the end I felt cheated.

I also think it was bullshite that they portrayed him as dying accidentally by ingesting something he didn't mean to ingest when the fact is that did not happen.

Which brings me to the point that you try constantly to make: that this movie didn't glorify his actions. I think this is patently absurd. Everything about the film was meant to raise this man up as a paragon of the adventurous spirit and primal man, despite the fact that he treated those he met poorly and those closest to him worst of all, which I suppose is the great irony of the movie--by running away from his problems he did to his parents exactly what he saw his parents doing to each other. That aside, to say this movie was not an attempt to glorify his actions I think is silly to the point of being naive or willfully blind.
Posted by Chef Leppard
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Posted on 3/11/15 at 4:16 pm to
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He discusses his political views with his parents at the start of the movie.


When? At the graduation lunch where they argue about buying him the new car and he rants about "things" ? I can't figure out what else you'd be referring to

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 also think it was bullshite that they portrayed him as dying accidentally by ingesting something he didn't mean to ingest when the fact is that did not happen


Well, it is adapted from the book. And the author has stated his reasoning for why he believes it. But I really have no opinion about it one way or the other. Its that or plain starvation. Dont see how either is less significant

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he treated those he met poorly and those closest to him worst of all, which I suppose is the great irony of the movie


What?? In the movie he enriched pretty much everyone's life he encountered to some degree.
Keener and her old man: was instrumental in revitalizating their broken relationship
Kristin Stewart: declined taking advantage of her. spent time with her and shared something special with her beyond the physical. when she was clearly lusting hard for him from day one
Hal Holbrook : helped him out of his shell he had created when he had forfeited in life since the death of his family
Vince Vaughn: I got nothing. But he worked hard for him and befriended him, and Vaughn definitely found him endearing

His relationship with his parents was fractured and complex and and a driving element. Yeea it was cruel in a sense to disappear, but he was deeply conflicted from his resentments toward them. Seems to me he had been the dutiful son to that point and felt he had to get away. His relationship with his sister was an unfortunate casualty. They were very close but he knew any contact and his parents would track him down. Evidenced by the fact that they hired a P.I. to find him

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to say this movie was not an attempt to glorify his actions I think is silly to the point of being naive or willfully blind.


Ill concede this point just for the sake of not being intentionally obstinate. Maybe im splitting hairs on that

Some of the other shite I almost wonder if I watched the same movie as other people
Posted by CaptainPanic
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Posted on 3/11/15 at 5:30 pm to
Such a great movie. That soundtrack is better than anything Pearl Jam ever did.
Posted by WITNESS23
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Posted on 3/11/15 at 6:08 pm to
I hate that I keep coming back to knock this dude and your view but the guy just bothers me. As does the telling. And I'm glad you enjoyed the movie bc it was entertaining.

That being said:

I've read where he did have very selfish political views. The old man, who was the last to see him alive, was discussing with him the various things he needed to do. Like obtain a permit and fishing and hunting licenses. Chris said, "frick the government, they don't need to know what I eat and how I catch it." Which really pissed people off because the moose, which he thought he killed, is very important and controlled to the people of Alaska and he killed it then wasted it with his ignorance.

The man also tried to give him his watch before he leaves. Chris tells him he doesn't want it because he would throw it out. He said he didn't want to know what time or day it was. Yet he kept a journal of the days he was there??

Also read where that person and their aunt picked him up and he was very odd and detached, not warm at all. They were freaked out by him almost.

As for the girl that he didn't have sex with. IIRC there hasn't been any confirmation that that isn't a complete fabrication or that she even existed.

Also for the "they didn't glorify his story crowd" they have had hundreds of people travel to the sight of the bus to pay respects and this and that. It was absolutely the glorification of a stubborn kid who chose to be ignorant and died because of it.

I hate that this story was so popular because I feel like there have been thousands who have tried, in a more responsible manner, and failed. There stories are far more respectable IMO.

I enjoy this discussion and I really do see both sides. I just wanted to keep it up.
Posted by WITNESS23
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 3/11/15 at 6:11 pm to
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I also think it was bullshite that they portrayed him as dying accidentally by ingesting something he didn't mean to ingest when the fact is that did not happen.


Also this is what we say when it was glorified. It was a fabrication to try to soften the blow that he died due to pure stubbornness.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
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Posted on 3/11/15 at 7:21 pm to
There are several stories like his every year. Frenchman died last summer traveling alone.
Posted by WITNESS23
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Posted on 3/11/15 at 7:54 pm to
Exactly. That's why I don't understand the love affair with him. I feel like there are better people to do the story on.
Posted by Chef Leppard
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Posted on 3/11/15 at 7:58 pm to
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There are several stories like his every year. Frenchman died last summer traveling alone.



And anyone of them MIGHT make for a similar type story. who knows. Im sure a lot of same type idealist, minimalist walk a similar path, metaphorically speaking. I certainly wouldn't place Mccandless in folk hero status , though maybe some do. I just think his story is equal parts cautionary, tragic, and even inspiring.

But I can see where it wouldnt interest some. My dad was a 30yr army guy. For him it probably would've been "stinky hippie dies in the woods. the end"
Posted by Freauxzen
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Posted on 3/11/15 at 8:58 pm to
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I took the phrase from Talladega Nights because that line always gives me a chuckle.


That line, the way it's said...cracks me up, Good call.
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
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Posted on 3/11/15 at 9:01 pm to
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this really puzzles me. but apparently McCandless really irks the shite out of some people


A spoiled rich kid who thought the world was "oh so terrible." I don't know about irking, it's just near impossible to have any sort of sympathy for him based on where he comes from and where he ends up honestly.

And I wouldn't consider myself a cold person, and I'm a big fan of the Romantic movement, which is clearly ingrained in this film. But it's such a naive, purposeless journey compared to those that the film wants it to be reflective of.



This post was edited on 3/11/15 at 9:03 pm
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 3/11/15 at 11:24 pm to
His sister sheds light on what drove him to do the things he did. LINK
Posted by johnnydrama
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Posted on 3/11/15 at 11:29 pm to
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But I might not be wrong in thinking some people bring a certain preconception to this because Sean Penn and/or Eddie Veddars name is on it. Two guys with some polarizing political views.
I didn't know any of that. In fact I didn't know anything about the movie at all. Nothing else was on and it was starting up so I watched it.
I didn't like the character and I didn't like the movie. Sorry.
Posted by Chef Leppard
Member since Sep 2011
11739 posts
Posted on 3/12/15 at 3:45 am to
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His sister sheds light on what drove him to do the things he did


Thanks for the link.

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According to Carine, Walt was a violent bully who drank heavily and sometimes flew into rages that ended with whippings and beatings for his wife and children. Billie was the primary victim, Carine writes, but she was also a victimizer, belittling and betraying both kids at crucial junctures. 


That was a dynamic in the film that I keep going back to in here that either it seems people dont see or find important. And they focus more on the stubborn, half cocked survivalist element.

Her account is more harrowing but the movie definitely shows you they were a very broken abusive family. Its clearly the main catalyst behind Christophers personality and why he ventures off the way he did, whether you find him a sympathetic, likable character or not
Posted by Dam Guide
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 3/12/15 at 5:47 am to
Not very rewatchable for me and definitely not tragic. The guy should of been a nominee for the Darwin Awards.
Posted by Palo Gaucho
Benton
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 3/12/15 at 10:13 am to
I read the book, but haven't ever seen the movie. Anybody know if it's available on Netflix?
Posted by boom roasted
Member since Sep 2010
28039 posts
Posted on 3/12/15 at 10:26 am to
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I think it's a bit of a sappy bore.
Agree. Don't really understand the admiration for the guy either.
Posted by DrRogers
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Posted on 3/12/15 at 11:24 am to
Love this movie and love the soundtrack
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