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re: Iron Man 3 Discussion Thread *SPOILERS*
Posted on 5/4/13 at 8:44 pm to LE610N
Posted on 5/4/13 at 8:44 pm to LE610N
Spoilers...
I didn't have that big of a problem with it because ultimately that aided in his decision to say frick it and walk away. When we first met Tony, he was a billionaire playboy, rolling in money and poon without a care in the world. Then he gets thrown into a cave and becomes the first superhero in his world. That drove his ego up. Then he meets both his professional equal and tech equal and puts them in their place. He's feeling on top of the world, but realizes hey now I have a target on my back because of who I am.
Then the Avengers happens. You have resurrected super soldiers, Norse Gods from other worlds, aliens coming through wormholes trying to frick up the planet, and the biggest baddest green bastard out there smashing them to pieces. Yeah, his old world was turned upside down in a week with that and it ended with him literally peering into another dimension almost losing his life. Not only was he not the top dog anymore, he was legitimately this close to being done.
So that made him already feel insecure as hell. So he made himself a recluse and built suits to protect who/what he loved most in life: Pepper. That was his sole purpose for still being Iron Man. Protect the woman he loved. The government had Rhodey to go fight in the Middle East. They didn't need him. Killian (as the Mandarin) made it personal so (well you know the rest).
What really pushed him off was thinking Pepper was dead and then ultimately, she saved him. He realized that neither he, nor her needed Iron Man anymore. They both just needed Tony. Similar to when Bruce gave up being Batman. Neither was needed anymore, so why keep it up? Walk away with pride and let the past be the past.
My only problem is that this isn't a closed off movie universe like TDKR was where the end is the end. I know Tony is back for The Avengers 2, but how? He's walked away. He's not Iron Man anymore. He gave up the suits, he gave up his past. So what now for him?
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.only to have fricking Pepper throw a tiny bomb in front of him and blast it to kill him?
I didn't have that big of a problem with it because ultimately that aided in his decision to say frick it and walk away. When we first met Tony, he was a billionaire playboy, rolling in money and poon without a care in the world. Then he gets thrown into a cave and becomes the first superhero in his world. That drove his ego up. Then he meets both his professional equal and tech equal and puts them in their place. He's feeling on top of the world, but realizes hey now I have a target on my back because of who I am.
Then the Avengers happens. You have resurrected super soldiers, Norse Gods from other worlds, aliens coming through wormholes trying to frick up the planet, and the biggest baddest green bastard out there smashing them to pieces. Yeah, his old world was turned upside down in a week with that and it ended with him literally peering into another dimension almost losing his life. Not only was he not the top dog anymore, he was legitimately this close to being done.
So that made him already feel insecure as hell. So he made himself a recluse and built suits to protect who/what he loved most in life: Pepper. That was his sole purpose for still being Iron Man. Protect the woman he loved. The government had Rhodey to go fight in the Middle East. They didn't need him. Killian (as the Mandarin) made it personal so (well you know the rest).
What really pushed him off was thinking Pepper was dead and then ultimately, she saved him. He realized that neither he, nor her needed Iron Man anymore. They both just needed Tony. Similar to when Bruce gave up being Batman. Neither was needed anymore, so why keep it up? Walk away with pride and let the past be the past.
My only problem is that this isn't a closed off movie universe like TDKR was where the end is the end. I know Tony is back for The Avengers 2, but how? He's walked away. He's not Iron Man anymore. He gave up the suits, he gave up his past. So what now for him?
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Posted on 5/4/13 at 8:50 pm to Tactical1
That's ridiculous. The fact that any of us can come up with a better plot is pathetic.
SPOILERS
Instead of having copters attack his house(after he just went toe to toe with Thor in the Avengers - a fricking god, have them hack into his conveniently placed armada of suits). And have them completely wreck shite. And frick it, have them use the Manderin as an actual villain, using alien technology. So all of the sudden, he has a reason to have these completely spontaneous alien anxiety attacks. Have his suits do damage to public property, get the public to question him - etc etc etc.
They had a complete gold mine available into making a respectable movie, and they decided to rely on cheap laughs like calling a 10 year a pussy. It was fricking pathetic, and they deserve to get called out for it.
SPOILERS
Instead of having copters attack his house(after he just went toe to toe with Thor in the Avengers - a fricking god, have them hack into his conveniently placed armada of suits). And have them completely wreck shite. And frick it, have them use the Manderin as an actual villain, using alien technology. So all of the sudden, he has a reason to have these completely spontaneous alien anxiety attacks. Have his suits do damage to public property, get the public to question him - etc etc etc.
They had a complete gold mine available into making a respectable movie, and they decided to rely on cheap laughs like calling a 10 year a pussy. It was fricking pathetic, and they deserve to get called out for it.
Posted on 5/4/13 at 8:51 pm to GumBro Jackson
SPOILERS
I'm glad someone else realized this...I kinda thought this point was OBVIOUS.
There was an implied physical improvement to Tony...perhaps he'll be slightly more superhuman now?
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As for how he fixed himself, I thought he somehow adapted and improved the extremis so that he regrew/repaired his heart.
I'm glad someone else realized this...I kinda thought this point was OBVIOUS.
There was an implied physical improvement to Tony...perhaps he'll be slightly more superhuman now?
Posted on 5/4/13 at 8:55 pm to Khal Drogo
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He's walked away. He's not Iron Man anymore
ummm...did you not hear the very last line of the movie before the credits rolled? It was KINDA emphasized.
This post was edited on 5/4/13 at 9:07 pm
Posted on 5/4/13 at 8:58 pm to theunknownknight
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As for how he fixed himself, I thought he somehow adapted and improved the extremis so that he regrew/repaired his heart.
Pretty sure I saw surgeons operating on his heart to remove the shrapnel. They may well have mentioned the extremis being used to fix his body or whatever but I couldn't hear much of those last 2 minutes because of this kid being me asking his parents 50 damn questions at the end
Posted on 5/4/13 at 9:01 pm to theunknownknight
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As for how he fixed himself, I thought he somehow adapted and improved the extremis so that he regrew/repaired his heart.
Correct me if I'm wrong but i thought the original purpose of the electromagnet was to keep the shrapnel from entering his heart by keeping it near the magnetized housing. That his heart was actually fine from the attack in the beginning of the first film.
This post was edited on 5/4/13 at 9:02 pm
Posted on 5/4/13 at 9:04 pm to LE610N
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Correct me if I'm wrong but i thought the original purpose of the electromagnet was to keep the shrapnel from entering his heart by keeping it near the magnetized housing. That his heart was actually fine from the attack in the beginning of the first film.
This is true. But it was implied he took the extremis to allow them to remove the magnet, and pull the shrapnel from his heart.
He said he "figured it out", ie how to stabilize the positive affects, as the scene to his surgery is on screen.
Posted on 5/4/13 at 9:07 pm to Khal Drogo
Spoilers . . .
I got all that it just seemed anti-climatic to have Pepper take him out. The stakes were building up so much in that fight between TS and Killian and as he regenerating/glowing and giving his speech Pepper bats him away and boom there goes the ONLY DECENT villain in this trilogy . . .
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I didn't have that big of a problem with it because ultimately that aided in his decision to say frick it and walk away. When we first met Tony, he was a billionaire playboy, rolling in money and poon without a care in the world. Then he gets thrown into a cave and becomes the first superhero in his world. That drove his ego up. Then he meets both his professional equal and tech equal and puts them in their place. He's feeling on top of the world, but realizes hey now I have a target on my back because of who I am.
Then the Avengers happens. You have resurrected super soldiers, Norse Gods from other worlds, aliens coming through wormholes trying to frick up the planet, and the biggest baddest green bastard out there smashing them to pieces. Yeah, his old world was turned upside down in a week with that and it ended with him literally peering into another dimension almost losing his life. Not only was he not the top dog anymore, he was legitimately this close to being done.
So that made him already feel insecure as hell. So he made himself a recluse and built suits to protect who/what he loved most in life: Pepper. That was his sole purpose for still being Iron Man. Protect the woman he loved. The government had Rhodey to go fight in the Middle East. They didn't need him. Killian (as the Mandarin) made it personal so (well you know the rest).
What really pushed him off was thinking Pepper was dead and then ultimately, she saved him. He realized that neither he, nor her needed Iron Man anymore. They both just needed Tony. Similar to when Bruce gave up being Batman. Neither was needed anymore, so why keep it up? Walk away with pride and let the past be the past.
My only problem is that this isn't a closed off movie universe like TDKR was where the end is the end. I know Tony is back for The Avengers 2, but how? He's walked away. He's not Iron Man anymore. He gave up the suits, he gave up his past. So what now for him?
I got all that it just seemed anti-climatic to have Pepper take him out. The stakes were building up so much in that fight between TS and Killian and as he regenerating/glowing and giving his speech Pepper bats him away and boom there goes the ONLY DECENT villain in this trilogy . . .
Posted on 5/4/13 at 9:09 pm to Javzz
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Instead of having copters attack his house(after he just went toe to toe with Thor in the Avengers - a fricking god, have them hack into his conveniently placed armada of suits). And have them completely wreck shite. And frick it, have them use the Manderin as an actual villain, using alien technology. So all of the sudden, he has a reason to have these completely spontaneous alien anxiety attacks. Have his suits do damage to public property, get the public to question him - etc etc etc.
They had a complete gold mine available into making a respectable movie, and they decided to rely on cheap laughs like calling a 10 year a pussy. It was fricking pathetic, and they deserve to get called out for it.
Like I said anyone can simply say what they wanted to see different in the film, but to say you just wrote a better film in a few minutes is silly.
What I am saying is, most of the arm chair critics have no idea how to put what you said to paper, even you. What you just described changes this film completely for the better in your opinion, but committing this to a screenplay and actually doing it is a completely different scenario. You just changed the film in about three or four sentences, now expand your entire idea out into a 2 hour and 30 minutes film complete with characters, dialogue, and set pieces.
Not to mention you are being the second guesser, anyone can do that.
This post was edited on 5/4/13 at 9:12 pm
Posted on 5/4/13 at 9:09 pm to theunknownknight
I love reading comic/movie buffs opinions on movies. You guys get so worked up
I enjoyed it. It was entertaining.
I enjoyed it. It was entertaining.
Posted on 5/4/13 at 9:09 pm to theunknownknight
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This is true. But it was implied he took the extremis to allow them to remove the magnet, and pull the shrapnel from his heart.
He said he "figured it out", ie how to stabilize the positive affects, as the scene to his surgery is on screen.
Must have missed this having been fuming over the abysmal dispatching of Killian
Posted on 5/4/13 at 9:17 pm to Tactical1
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Like I said anyone can simply say what they wanted to see in the film.
What I am saying is, most of the arm chair critics have no idea how to put what you said to paper, even you. What you just described changes this film completely for the better in your opinion, but committing this to a screenplay and actually doing it is a completely different scenario. You just changed the film in about three or four sentences, now expand your entire idea out into a 2 hour and 30 minutes film.
Not to mention you are being the second guesser, anyone can do that.
I understand where you're coming from and I'm not stating I can do a better job of writing but I've been invested in this Marvel Universe (films; not the comics) since the first Iron Man. I just wished they made it fit better with what happened in the Avengers. Hind sight is 20/20 but it had to go through a few drafts and Marvel is watching this like Will Smith is watching Jadyn Smiths career. It would seem like a natural progression for that universe for the villain to be a bit more complicated than what we got. Granted there are still 3 more movies before Avengers 2 to help weave and build the EU.
I know it seems that I'm bashing the movie but I did enjoy it a lot. I liked how they took Tony out of his element you could say, the whole Tennessee part I enjoyed. Him fighting w/o his suit was great too.
Posted on 5/4/13 at 9:27 pm to LE610N
Was an ok flick, but I hated what they did with the Mandarin. Was really looking forward to him as the villain.
Posted on 5/4/13 at 9:29 pm to LE610N
The film was littered with inconsistencies.
- Stark threatens a globally known terrorist, and yet, when an unknown individual approached his house (Maya), he decided to put on a prototype suit that wasn't fully weaponized.
- The 3 helicopters start unleashing missiles on his house. His house is being decimated, and both he and Pepper are mired in peril with their lives on the line. We find out later in the film that Tony was spending all his free time on a massive cadre of suits that could all be controlled concurrently by Jarvis. Tony would be able to seamlessly swap in and out of any given suit, while Jarvis controlled the others. Near the end of the film, Tony instructs Jarvis to enact "House Party" (I believe this is what it was called...), and we see the circular door to Tony's mansion open with 20+ suits flying out. So...why wasn't this tactic employed during the helicopter scene? Tony had communicative abilities with Jarvis as the attack began, so why not summon those 20+ suits?
- During the final fight scene with Aldrich, why doesn't Tony employ the help of the 20+ suits still flying around? After Aldrich was defeated, and Tony is hugging Pepper, he instructs Jarvis to detonate the remaining suits, and we subsequently see 15+ explosions across the sky. So, all of the enemies had been eliminated, and there were 15-20 suits flying around during Stark's final fight scene with Aldrich. We saw Tony hop in and out of a few of them, and then saw the return of the "prodigal son" (Mark 42, I believe) which crumbles on impact. Tony is without a suit for much of the fight, including the end of the fight when Aldrich is approaching him from the flames - why didn't Tony summon another suit? Why didn't he instruct Jarvis to attack Aldrich with all 15+ remaining suits?
- Tony's first generation Iron Man suit was able to slice through the wing of a fighter jet at mach speeds. It was able to deflect missile shells from tanks. It was able to withstand the hammer of a god. Yet, his newer suits apparently can't break through a wooden shed. They also shatter completely after getting hit by an 18 wheeler traveling at 50 miles per hour, and can be spliced within seconds by the hands of the human glowsticks.
- Stark threatens a globally known terrorist, and yet, when an unknown individual approached his house (Maya), he decided to put on a prototype suit that wasn't fully weaponized.
- The 3 helicopters start unleashing missiles on his house. His house is being decimated, and both he and Pepper are mired in peril with their lives on the line. We find out later in the film that Tony was spending all his free time on a massive cadre of suits that could all be controlled concurrently by Jarvis. Tony would be able to seamlessly swap in and out of any given suit, while Jarvis controlled the others. Near the end of the film, Tony instructs Jarvis to enact "House Party" (I believe this is what it was called...), and we see the circular door to Tony's mansion open with 20+ suits flying out. So...why wasn't this tactic employed during the helicopter scene? Tony had communicative abilities with Jarvis as the attack began, so why not summon those 20+ suits?
- During the final fight scene with Aldrich, why doesn't Tony employ the help of the 20+ suits still flying around? After Aldrich was defeated, and Tony is hugging Pepper, he instructs Jarvis to detonate the remaining suits, and we subsequently see 15+ explosions across the sky. So, all of the enemies had been eliminated, and there were 15-20 suits flying around during Stark's final fight scene with Aldrich. We saw Tony hop in and out of a few of them, and then saw the return of the "prodigal son" (Mark 42, I believe) which crumbles on impact. Tony is without a suit for much of the fight, including the end of the fight when Aldrich is approaching him from the flames - why didn't Tony summon another suit? Why didn't he instruct Jarvis to attack Aldrich with all 15+ remaining suits?
- Tony's first generation Iron Man suit was able to slice through the wing of a fighter jet at mach speeds. It was able to deflect missile shells from tanks. It was able to withstand the hammer of a god. Yet, his newer suits apparently can't break through a wooden shed. They also shatter completely after getting hit by an 18 wheeler traveling at 50 miles per hour, and can be spliced within seconds by the hands of the human glowsticks.
This post was edited on 5/4/13 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 5/4/13 at 9:36 pm to Cs
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he decided to put on a prototype suit that wasn't fully weaponized.
He knew that, she didn't. Important bit of information there.
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- The 3 helicopters start unleashing missiles on his house. His house is being decimated, and both he and Pepper are mired in peril with their lives on the line. We find out later in the film that Tony was spending all his free time on a massive cadre of suits controlled by Jarvis. Tony would be able to seamlessly swamp in and out of any given suit, while Jarvis controlled the others. Near the end of the film, Tony instructs Jarvis to enact "House Party" (I believe this is what it was called...), and we see the circular door to Tony's mansion open with 20+ suits flying out. So...why wasn't this tactic employed during the helicopter scene? Tony had communicative abilities with Jarvis as the attack began, so why not summon those 20+ suits?
He didn't have full control over them yet. Was explained in the story. None of those suits were completely finished either, he was still tinkering with them all. Besides, he didn't want to tip his hand to what all he was working with.
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- During the final fight scene with Aldrich, why doesn't Tony employ the help of the 20+ suits still flying around? After Aldrich was defeated, and Tony is hugging Pepper, he instructs Jarvis to detonate the remaining suits, and we subsequently see 15+ explosions across the sky. So, all of the enemies had been eliminated, and there were 15-20 suits flying around during Stark's final fight scene with Aldrich. We saw Tony hop in and out of a few of them, and then saw the return of the "prodigal son" (Mark 42, I believe) which crumbles on impact. Tony is without a suit for much of the fight, including the end of the fight when Aldrich is approaching him from the flames - why didn't Tony summon another suit? Why didn't he instruct Jarvis to attack Aldrich with all 15+ remaining suits?
The suits were still battling the other Extremis soldiers dude. He kept asking him to send him an available one and he'd only send one because the rest were dealing with the other Extremis soldiers. They more than likely finished up with his Extremis army around the same time that Pepper 86ed Killian. Besides, Killian had already torn through several suits like nothing and he even blew him up in one and that didn't do the trick, so why would he keep trying the same shite that didn't work?
Posted on 5/4/13 at 9:37 pm to LE610N
There is nothing wrong criticizing the film, that fine. I was really responding to these fellas that think in several sentences they have already written a better film.
A lot of the complaints coming out lately in regards to Extremis, The Mandarin, and the suits I thought were handled about as well as they could (in a film). My main complaints were with the heavy emphasis on Tony's post traumatic stress and really no resolution coming with that. At the end of the day I felt like there was enough good to outweigh the bad.
A lot of the complaints coming out lately in regards to Extremis, The Mandarin, and the suits I thought were handled about as well as they could (in a film). My main complaints were with the heavy emphasis on Tony's post traumatic stress and really no resolution coming with that. At the end of the day I felt like there was enough good to outweigh the bad.
Posted on 5/4/13 at 9:39 pm to Khal Drogo
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He didn't have full control over them yet. Was explained in the story. None of those suits were completely finished either, he was still tinkering with them all.
If they weren't finished at the time of the helicopter attack, at what point did he finish them (since they were all apparently ready to go by the final scene)?
Posted on 5/4/13 at 9:45 pm to Khal Drogo
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Khal Drogo
Sup gamecock? You make it too obvious bro. You need to change things up a little
Posted on 5/4/13 at 9:48 pm to LE610N
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I got all that it just seemed anti-climatic to have Pepper take him out. The stakes were building up so much in that fight between TS and Killian and as he regenerating/glowing and giving his speech Pepper bats him away and boom there goes the ONLY DECENT villain in this trilogy . . .
Part of me wants to agree, but at the same time, it was fitting. As for the decent villain comment,
Posted on 5/4/13 at 9:50 pm to Tactical1
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My main complaints were with the heavy emphasis on Tony's post traumatic stress and really no resolution coming with that.
The resolution was him walking away from it all. Why be a hero when you don't need to be one?
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At the end of the day I felt like there was enough good to outweigh the bad.
I agree. It was great for me, but it was good. I'll never forgive them for the lies about The Mandarin. I guess they didn't want to overwhelming parallel TDKR, but whatever.
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