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How awesome is the Luke/Vader ESB light saber battle?
Posted on 5/23/19 at 7:19 pm
Posted on 5/23/19 at 7:19 pm
Watching it now for the 10 millionth time. But this is how you make a villain a total badass. Have him toy around with the hero of the story only to show how over powered he is but not in a ridiculous way. One of the best moments in Star Wars hands-down. Also I think the Luke/Vader light saber battle in ROTJ is also very underrated.
Anyways, my point is how come Lucas couldn’t get this in the prequel‘s? And obviously they can’t get it right now either. So frustrating because the Obi wan and Anikan battle should’ve have even been better than this one.
Anyways, my point is how come Lucas couldn’t get this in the prequel‘s? And obviously they can’t get it right now either. So frustrating because the Obi wan and Anikan battle should’ve have even been better than this one.
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Posted on 5/23/19 at 7:32 pm to EGCROSS
The ESB lightsaber battle is awesome.
As much criticism as TPM gets, the Qui Gon/Obi Wan/ Maul fight is awesome
As much criticism as TPM gets, the Qui Gon/Obi Wan/ Maul fight is awesome
Posted on 5/23/19 at 8:33 pm to EGCROSS
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Anyways, my point is how come Lucas couldn’t get this in the prequel‘s?
While it mostly comes across as glow sticks in the dark, I always thought the Dooku vs Anakin could have been better but had a hint of what you're talking about. The "I am a slow learner" akin to "You'll find I'm full of surprises." Lucas trying to 'rhyme' I suppose.
Agreed on one of the best moments.
Still, would have been super bombad to see Anakin wielding two light sabers for more than four screen seconds.
Posted on 5/24/19 at 8:23 am to EGCROSS
There is a definite sense of menace in the scene. You can tell Vader can end this fight any time he wants too. The audience goes from "wow, Vader and Luke are squaring off" to "Oh my God, Vader is just taking him apart."
That is how you build up a bad guy ladies and gentlemen. Have them beat the ever living dog mess out of the hero.
That is how you build up a bad guy ladies and gentlemen. Have them beat the ever living dog mess out of the hero.
Posted on 5/24/19 at 8:26 am to EGCROSS
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Luke/Vader light saber battle in ROTJ is also very underrated.
I think most would agree it's an awesome scene.
Posted on 5/24/19 at 8:47 am to EGCROSS
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the Obi wan and Anikan battle should’ve have even been better than this one.
My unpopular Star Wars take is that the Obi Wan-Anakin battle in Episode III is the best light saber duel in the series.
Don’t @ me.
Posted on 5/24/19 at 8:51 am to EGCROSS
The PT was a galaxy spanning conflict, much more epic in scope. None of the villains had the same level of personal connection with the protagonists outside of Obi-Wan vs Anakain, but while it didn't need to drag out for 45 minutes, the slow pace of a Luke vs Vader duel wouldn't have worked at all for Anakin vs Obi Wan.
The OT was really much smaller in scope than the PT, focusing on interpersonal relationships between characters. It makes sense then that the duels in the OT serve to tell a story more than just two guys trying to kill each other.
The OT was really much smaller in scope than the PT, focusing on interpersonal relationships between characters. It makes sense then that the duels in the OT serve to tell a story more than just two guys trying to kill each other.
Posted on 5/24/19 at 10:37 am to Arksulli
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You can tell Vader can end this fight any time he wants too.
The moment he underestimates his toying with Luke, Vader gets sliced in his shoulder, hulks up, cuts off Luke's hand within seconds.
Posted on 5/24/19 at 11:03 am to BranchDawg
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My unpopular Star Wars take is that the Obi Wan-Anakin battle in Episode III is the best light saber duel in the series.
You would be correct.
Anakin could have ended it at any point, but he was still clinging to feelings.
They address it in the new vader comics. Refighting the old battle, he kills him without mercy or hesitation.
Posted on 5/24/19 at 11:12 am to EGCROSS
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So frustrating because the Obi wan and Anikan battle should’ve have even been better than this one
I may be in the minority but I'm a huge fan of the ROTS battle.
Their moves are exactly the same because of their relationship. It looks like Obi Wan is buying time because he still can't bring himself to kill Anakin and wants to turn him back.
Then he tries to reason with him at the end and when he realizes he can't, he beats him. It has a lot of underrated subtleties imo.
Posted on 5/24/19 at 11:38 am to EGCROSS
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Anyways, my point is how come Lucas couldn’t get this in the prequel‘s? And obviously they can’t get it right now either. So frustrating because the Obi wan and Anikan battle should’ve have even been better than this one.
Because Lucas didn't write and direct ESB and ROTJ.
Posted on 5/24/19 at 11:40 am to Arksulli
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That is how you build up a bad guy ladies and gentlemen. Have them beat the ever living dog mess out of the hero.
Exactly why the final Vader scene in Rogue One was probably the best Vader scene of the entire Star Wars Saga. Dude simply fricked anyone up, anyway he wanted with little effort.
Posted on 5/24/19 at 11:44 am to X123F45
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Anakin could have ended it at any point, but he was still clinging to feelings.
Precisely why Maul got fricked up by Obi Wan in less than 2 seconds when they met on Tattooine in SW Rebels. Maul was all in the feels, and OWK was a focused, battle tested master of the force. And simply fricked him up with one shot...in less than 2 seconds the 2nd baddest on screen sith was gone.
Posted on 5/24/19 at 11:45 am to EGCROSS
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he is but not in a ridiculous way. O
I mean, I'm a fan of the scene and all but it did have the ridiculous sequence where Luke was getting pelted with boxes.
This post was edited on 5/24/19 at 11:51 am
Posted on 5/24/19 at 11:46 am to Arksulli
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That is how you build up a bad guy ladies and gentlemen. Have them beat the ever living dog mess out of the hero.
That's part of it, but the other important aspect is to maintain some humanness in the villain. The fact that Vader wasn't completely lost to the dark side is what kept him from destroying Luke and ultimately what lead to his demise and paradoxical liberation.
Posted on 5/24/19 at 12:28 pm to theGarnetWay
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I mean, I'm a fan of the scene and all but it did have the ridiculous sequence where Luke was getting pelted with boxes.
I think that’s one of the best parts. To me that’s where Luke knew he was totally out matched and had no shot
This post was edited on 5/24/19 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 5/24/19 at 12:30 pm to EGCROSS
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I think that’s one of the best parts. To me that’s where Luke knew he was totally out matched and had no shot
I 100% get the narrative of Vader overpowering Luke, but in what world does this not look ridiculous to you?
ETA: If this had happened in any other of SW movie except for a New Hope or ESB it would be routinely lampooned.
This post was edited on 5/24/19 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 5/24/19 at 12:33 pm to theGarnetWay
I’ll just have to respectfully disagree on that. However, your GIF is giving me Seasures I believe. Lol
Posted on 5/24/19 at 12:36 pm to swagsurfin7
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As much criticism as TPM gets, the Qui Gon/Obi Wan/ Maul fight is awesome
That 1 scene carried 3 films.
Posted on 5/24/19 at 1:03 pm to LSU Patrick
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That's part of it, but the other important aspect is to maintain some humanness in the villain. The fact that Vader wasn't completely lost to the dark side is what kept him from destroying Luke and ultimately what lead to his demise and paradoxical liberation.
That is building a well rounded villain. By not having Vader simply walk the dog on Luke, even though he could have, it makes Vader one of the more fully developed villains in screen history.
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