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re: House of the Dragon: S2 Episode 6 "Smallfolk" (SPOILERS)

Posted on 7/22/24 at 8:15 am to
Posted by Epic Cajun
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Posted on 7/22/24 at 8:15 am to
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Not with Mysaria, I believe. It did hint that Rhaenyra was intimate with Daemon’s wife Laena.

I thought maybe there was something about that when he mentions that she let’s Daemon still have sex with Mysaria. I’d have to go back and read, I don’t feel like that whole thing was out of left field as much as a lot of posters seem to think.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 7/22/24 at 8:16 am to
The Rhaena bit makes since given in the books Morning is a hatchling from that clutch they sent her to the Eyrie with. Just no time for her dragon to grow on the show with the pacing.

I’m thinking Alys Rivers is going to potentially replace the physical part of Nettles with Daemon.
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
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Posted on 7/22/24 at 8:38 am to
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I haven't read F&B yet. Does Rhaenyra and the queen of whores make out in the book too, or was that just added to the show?


The book is more like a history book where it gives details about events and people's roles in those events but it does not give details of people's day to day interactions.

So while the book never says they makeout. It also doesn't say they don't. Even still, that felt pretty forced and unnecessary. Unless the point is that women are weak and when they are backed into a corner they try to sleep their way to safety. But I don't think that message is accurate or what they intended.
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
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Posted on 7/22/24 at 8:41 am to
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Why do two girls making out bother some of you?


Its not the girls making out in a vacuum. Its that its clearly a forced DEI seen to make sure they meet their gay quota.
Posted by Tigers4Lyfe
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Posted on 7/22/24 at 8:49 am to
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I liked Daemond
Daemon
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Posted on 7/22/24 at 8:50 am to
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he could take on Daemond
Daemon
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
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Posted on 7/22/24 at 8:54 am to
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he dude Seasmoke found is a bastard son of the sea snake so he has Targaryen blood,


In the book, it is said that the Alyn and Addam Hull are bastards of Laenor Targaryan which explains why they have Targ blood. The book does mention that everyone knows that Laenor is gay so him having bastards is unlikely and there is runor that they might actually be Corlys's bastards but the boys claim Laenor as their father. The show confirms that they are Corlys's bastards which does challenge the idea that only Targs can ride dragons. I have always wondered if that was fact considering no one who isn't a Targ ever actually tried to ride a dragon.

The book is lacking details of how the Blacks went about finding the dragon seeds so we really don't know how Addam was identified and got a chance to ride seasmoke. Kind of cool that the dragon found him imo.

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In the book Seasmoke finding another rider makes sense because Laenor is actually dead, in the show he faked his death so this could be an issue? Like Seasmoke would still sense Laenor if he were alive and go and find him instead of this Arryn dude, so maybe it’s confirming Laenor is actually dead now?


Interesting theory. Maybe when Seasmoke was acting restless a few episodes ago (maybe last season?) its because Laenor died in Essos?
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
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Posted on 7/22/24 at 8:55 am to
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I’m thinking Alys Rivers is going to potentially replace the physical part of Nettles with Daemon.


I thought Daemon bangs Alys Rivers in the books too?
Posted by hogfly
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Posted on 7/22/24 at 8:56 am to
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Even still, that felt pretty forced and unnecessary. Unless the point is that women are weak and when they are backed into a corner they try to sleep their way to safety. But I don't think that message is accurate or what they intended.



Eh, I thought it was commiseration between two powerful/capable (debatably) women who are frustrated that they're still struggling to make it in a man's world. R is frustrated with Daemon and her council. M is frustrated with Daemon and the hand she was dealt in life with her father impregnating her.

But the people clutching their pearls over it... incest is okay. Girl on girl is over the line, though? Moral compass true north points to Arkansas, I guess.
This post was edited on 7/22/24 at 8:57 am
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 7/22/24 at 9:01 am to
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I thought Daemon bangs Alys Rivers in the books too?


They didn't get much into Daemon at Harrenhal in the books.

They did talk about her interactions with Aemond.
Posted by heisenberg88
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Posted on 7/22/24 at 9:07 am to
I thought it was pretty good. Ser Steffon getting toasted was definitely a surprise. Pretty funny that Daemon was about to leave then he gets sucked back in.
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
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Posted on 7/22/24 at 9:08 am to
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Eh, I thought it was commiseration between two powerful/capable (debatably) women who are frustrated that they're still struggling to make it in a man's world. R is frustrated with Daemon and her council. M is frustrated with Daemon and the hand she was dealt in life with her father impregnating her.



No its just that its unrealistic. Do yall have wives? try to make out with her when shes stressed, let alone losing a war. I have no issue with her and Mysaria being lovers, the timing made the scene feel very forced.

I realize that I have posted 3 responses about the makeout so this may sound dumb coming from me but I agree that people are making it a bigger deal than it needs to be. It was like 5 seconds and affects the overall story almost zero.

My biggest question is like others have said, how do they get the word to Ulf and Hugh to come to dragonstone to claim a dragon?

I also agree that they will replace Nettles with Rhaena and have her tame sheepstealer. The issue with that is how do they navigate getting Rhaena out of the picture so that Daemon and Aemon can have their one on one? Nettles bails because Rhaenyra goes Mad Queen on her arse. I don't think she'd go mad queen on Rhaena.
Posted by dallastiger55
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Posted on 7/22/24 at 9:09 am to
It doesn’t bother me but I did laugh when they showed the black guy rising to power immediately followed by a lesbian scene

It’s like they submitted the hour long episode and HBO said “we need 8 more minutes to hit our quota”. lol
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
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Posted on 7/22/24 at 9:09 am to
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They didn't get much into Daemon at Harrenhal in the books.

They did talk about her interactions with Aemond.


I knew both of those but a felt like I remembered a small throw away line about Daemon banging the witch. Oh well, I definitely think that Nettles is gonna be left out of the show now that we see sheep stealer in the same area as Rhaena.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 7/22/24 at 9:10 am to
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In the book, it is said that the Alyn and Addam Hull are bastards of Laenor Targaryan which explains why they have Targ blood. The book does mention that everyone knows that Laenor is gay so him having bastards is unlikely and there is runor that they might actually be Corlys's bastards but the boys claim Laenor as their father. The show confirms that they are Corlys's bastards which does challenge the idea that only Targs can ride dragons. I have always wondered if that was fact considering no one who isn't a Targ ever actually tried to ride a dragon.



Just a clarifier, Laenor was a Velayron, not Targaryen. A handful of Velayrons were dragonriders, likely due to their Targaryen blood lines (in Laenor's case, through Rhaenys). They were a lesser house in Old Valyria, so they weren't "allowed" to have dragons. But it wouldn't be a stretch to say they have the blood for it, especially since they're often intertwined with Targaryens through marriage.
Posted by dallastiger55
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Posted on 7/22/24 at 9:10 am to
I know I’m a Hodor but remind me who the witch is again? Is she real or in his imagination? Why hasn’t he nailed her yet?
This post was edited on 7/22/24 at 9:11 am
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
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Posted on 7/22/24 at 9:11 am to
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This post was edited on 7/22/24 at 9:12 am
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 7/22/24 at 9:13 am to
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I know I’m a Hodor but remind me who the witch is again? Is she real or in his imagination? Why hasn’t he nailed her yet?


Alys Rivers. She's supposed to be a bastard child of the Strongs. This is the info on her from the book/Westeros wiki:

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According to Grand Maester Munkun and Septon Eustace, Alys was a bastard sired by Lord Lyonel Strong on an unknown woman when he was young. Munkun claims Alys was a serving wench with an interest in potions, while Eustace states she was a woods witch. However, the fool Mushroom claims Alys was from an older generation, and that she had served as a wet nurse to Lyonel's sons, Harwin and Larys, and possibly even to Lyonel. Mushroom wrote that Alys was an enchantress who bathed in maidens' blood to remain youthful. Both Eustace and Munkun considered Mushroom's claims fantastical, but even they agreed that Alys looked unusually young for her age, as she had to be at least forty by the outbreak of the Dance of the Dragons.[3]

Although all of Alys's children were stillborn, she served as a wet nurse to many children at Harrenhal.[3]
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
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Posted on 7/22/24 at 9:14 am to
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I know I’m a Hodor but remind me who the witch is again? Is she real or in his imagination? Why hasn’t he nailed her yet?


Alys Rivers is a witch that no one really knows a ton about. Some say shes ancient some say shes in her 40s. Regardless, she is a wet nurse and a healer at Harrenhal amongst other things. She does a play a role but in the books its not clear how much influence she actually has.
This post was edited on 7/22/24 at 9:16 am
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 7/22/24 at 9:16 am to
Also, for folks that have seen her before. Alys is played by the actress that was Sheila the She-Wolf in GLOW (Netflix). In a parallel universe somewhere, Sheila's ancestor is a woods witch and I'm here for it.

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