re: GoT S3: Episode 6 "The Climb" <<<Book Readers Thread>>> SPOILERS

I just re-watched that scene. He didn't say that. He told her there were only two people who could give orders to the kingsguard, in reference to who ordered him killed. But I think that will plant the seed in her mind about putting Loras on the KG.

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Maybe they'll have Marg convince Joff, so it doesn't look like Cersei was involved

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And this is definitely a possibility.

My guess is Loras finds out about ros decides he most join to protect his sister. Or something of that nature.

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My guess is Loras finds out about ros decides he most join to protect his sister. Or something of that nature.

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While it did seem unnaturally cruel even of Littlefinger to give Joffrey Ros to murder, I think it makes sense even from a book perspective. He has already been plotting with the Tyrells to murder Joffrey at this point in the show, but they're starting to chicken out thinking Margeary can handle Joffrey. Well, Littlefinger already knows what Joffrey does to whores, since he previously had one whore beat the other one to death. Just give him another to remind the Tyrells on what will happen to their sweet Margeary if Joffrey should marry her.

Good point

It's on hbo.com

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This is what I was saying earlier about the drastic changes of Littlefinger, and why I do not enjoy his portrayal in the television show as much.

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The title of the episode, after all, ends up receiving an even-more-obvious meaning by the end when we hear Littlefinger reveal how he thrives on chaos, how he sees it as a ladder one can climb. As a long-time reader of the series, it feels very odd to see this character speak so nakedly and openly about his ambitions and his philosophy; I recall arguments on the forums not long after A Clash of Kings came out in which my argument was that Littlefinger deliberately fomented and encouraged chaos so he could profit from it was somewhat controversial at the time, as I pointed out how he was surely behind Lysa Arryn’s warning to the Starks (this was correct), lied about the ownership of the dagger in a dangerous game of keeping tensions high (also correct), and that the same agent that delivered Lysa’s message was surely behind the attempt on Bran’s life (wrong, wrong, wrong). At no point in the novels to date has Littlefinger been so plainspoken of his intentions as he has been on the show. Of course, the show has veered far away from that Littlefinger—Martin himself keeps citing the show’s Petyr Baelish as being markedly different from his own character—and in theory this is all right. But the thumping obviousness of everything he does has, alas, begun to grow tiresome; he’s not far from the mustache-twirling cartoon villain or, if we’re kind, a James Bondian villain. The Varys-Littlefinger colliquies were something to look forward to in the first two seasons, but it’s becoming a tiresome device when it explains everything in an overt way as if viewers would miss something if they weren’t guided straight to it. Is it a well-written speech? Sure. But it would have been a much more interesting moment had the show been able to obscure the depths of Littlefinger’s duplicitousness until that particular moment, but it seems a luxury that the novels have and, for some reason, the television show doesn’t.

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But the thumping obviousness of everything he does has, alas, begun to grow tiresome; he’s not far from the mustache-twirling cartoon villain or, if we’re kind, a James Bondian villain. The Varys-Littlefinger colliquies were something to look forward to in the first two seasons, but it’s becoming a tiresome device when it explains everything in an overt way as if viewers would miss something if they weren’t guided straight to it. Is it a well-written speech? Sure. But it would have been a much more interesting moment had the show been able to obscure the depths of Littlefinger’s duplicitousness until that particular moment, but it seems a luxury that the novels have and, for some reason, the television show doesn’t.

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I have no problem with the TV show making Littlefinger more obvious. It is after all a TV show that has to encompass a ton of material, so some characters intentions have to be more obvious. It doesn't have the luxury the book had of slowly revealing Littlefingers intentions. For the TV show to work, some things must be plainly stated to the audience, while other things can take their time to build on.

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But one must ask: with such a talented cast, and such a wealth of material and storylines to draw from, would giving that 10% of screen time to some other character and some other story not make some sense? Perhaps the writers have some grand plan, but presently it feels as if the justification is not much beyond presenting the suffering and torture of Theon Greyjoy in all its visceral ugliness. It’s becoming hard to wait and see where they’re going with this.

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This is just another example of the book being a better medium to display Theon's transformation. In the book, we rarely saw any actual torture of Theon, but we did get to see Theon constantly obsessing over it. The TV show isn't able to portray Theon's transformation without showing the audience the pain and abuse he goes through. Without showing it, Theon's change would lose some depth.


Basically both complaints are just that the book is able to do it better, which is true for the vast majority of movies/TV shows adapted from books

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Another great write up about Theon's scene

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Is this from someone who has read the books? I know given what we've seen in the non-readers thread a lot of them are ready for Theon to just be "killed off already". I could see where someone who hasn't read could have formed the opinion that he shouldn't necessarily get the screen time he's getting.

But as said, the key to Theon's transformation was his inner dialogue in the books. You don't have that on the show so they have to take liberties.

It is from someone who has read the books.