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re: GoT "Middle Ground" Thread - Sn 4 - Offseason Discussion ***Spoilers Possible***

Posted on 6/11/14 at 11:15 am to
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/11/14 at 11:15 am to
I believe he wanted seal the tunnel by flooding the tunnel and letting it freeze. I think it is too late for that. As soon as they abandon to flood it I believe the wildings would storm through.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 6/11/14 at 11:16 am to
You can't just blow up the tunnel, you've got to carry in tons of rocks and water and freeze it. It would take at least a week working non-stop to freeze the tunnel.
Posted by BlacknGold
He Hate Me
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 6/11/14 at 11:26 am to
ah gotcha. i thought they could just blow it and have it collapse.
Posted by jefforize
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 6/11/14 at 1:03 pm to
Reading about the nightfort got me thinking...

What are the oldest man made structures in westeros? Over 6,000 years old:

Nightfort/the wall
Fist of the first men
Moat Cailin
Winterfell
The Eyrie

Any others? Maybe something in dorne built by the andals?
This post was edited on 6/11/14 at 1:06 pm
Posted by iluvdatiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/11/14 at 1:11 pm to
Another question about the gate...it looked like all Sam had to do was wave his hands in the air and the gate opened. Does Jon not have that ability? If so, why didn't Jon open the gate himself? Will Jon be able to open the gate from the other side or does someone have to stand down there and wait for him to come back?
Posted by jefforize
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 6/11/14 at 1:23 pm to
I think Sam just waved to another nights watch brother , to open it

To return, Jon will either have to go thru the secret nightfort tunnel Sam knows about, or blow a horn 1 time when returning.

1 for friends
2 for wildlings
3 for white walkers


Jon wouldn't be able to open the castle black gate by himself.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 6/11/14 at 1:25 pm to
Storm's End and Casterly Rock are up there, and the Dreadfort has been around for a while too.
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/11/14 at 1:28 pm to
I think it is like any other gate on a castle, opens from the inside but not outside.
This post was edited on 6/11/14 at 1:32 pm
Posted by jefforize
Member since Feb 2008
45903 posts
Posted on 6/11/14 at 1:34 pm to
Ah yes. I wish they'd show those two castles in the show.
Posted by USMCTiger03
Member since Sep 2007
71176 posts
Posted on 6/11/14 at 10:06 pm to
Just watching now.

Gaw, for an order dedicated to service for their entire lives and everything, the Nights Watch suck arse.
This post was edited on 6/11/14 at 10:08 pm
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
44932 posts
Posted on 6/11/14 at 10:27 pm to
They are outnumbered 1,000 to one. And the other team has giants.
Posted by auyushu
Surprise, AZ
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 6/11/14 at 10:33 pm to
quote:

They are outnumbered 1,000 to one. And the other team has giants.


Not to mention they aren't exactly working with the cream of the crop as far as their members go these days.
Posted by USMCTiger03
Member since Sep 2007
71176 posts
Posted on 6/11/14 at 11:01 pm to
quote:

They are outnumbered 1,000 to one. And the other team has giants.


Excuses. How could men spend every day of their lives in pursuit of something and suck so bad at it?
Posted by USMCTiger03
Member since Sep 2007
71176 posts
Posted on 6/11/14 at 11:03 pm to
quote:

Not to mention they aren't exactly working with the cream of the crop as far as their members go these days.

Yes, good point. Their recruitment strategy is as flawed as their development.
Posted by ladytiger118
Member since Aug 2009
20922 posts
Posted on 6/11/14 at 11:09 pm to
Considering 95% of them are either criminals or lowborn, that's why they lack discipline and don't have much training. The Night's Watch is no longer the prestigious order that it once was.
Posted by Ryne Sandberg
Team Am Mart
Member since Apr 2009
19745 posts
Posted on 6/11/14 at 11:16 pm to
When honor is not the order of the day, there will not be many people "volunteering" for the Night's Watch. It's interesting that the only family with "honor" (Starks) have one of their own (kind of) volunteer for The Night's Watch. For 99% of the rest, it is used as a punishment or a way to get out of jail/execution.
Posted by ladytiger118
Member since Aug 2009
20922 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:52 am to
Papercutninja posted this in the Crackpot thread; enjoy.

Nola Style Rendition of GoT theme article

Video
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
44932 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 9:53 am to
They also lost most of their top leadership prior to the attack-

Qhorin Halfhand, Thoren Smallwood, Jeor Mormont,Jaremy Rykker, & Benjen Stark where all lost prior to the wildlings attack.
Posted by USMCTiger03
Member since Sep 2007
71176 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 11:36 am to
quote:

It's interesting that the only family with "honor" (Starks) have one of their own (kind of) volunteer for The Night's Watch

Two. Snow and Benjen.
Posted by SG_Geaux
Beautiful St George, LA
Member since Aug 2004
80695 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 11:50 am to
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