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re: GoT "Middle Ground" Thread - Between Seasons Edition ***Spoilers Possible***
Posted on 5/15/15 at 11:35 am to Ace Midnight
Posted on 5/15/15 at 11:35 am to Ace Midnight
I figured this thread, while it is my baby, would no longer be needed once the show passes the books.
I see the threads thusly:
1. The Hodor thread will remain the Hodor thread, allowing no book info at all.
2. Reader thread where book info is allowed to be discussed (crackpot theorizing hopefully limited).
3. Crackpot thread where everything is fair game.
I can keep this thread going if there is enough demand, however.
I see the threads thusly:
1. The Hodor thread will remain the Hodor thread, allowing no book info at all.
2. Reader thread where book info is allowed to be discussed (crackpot theorizing hopefully limited).
3. Crackpot thread where everything is fair game.
I can keep this thread going if there is enough demand, however.
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Posted on 5/15/15 at 11:42 am to PsychTiger
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I figured this thread, while it is my baby, would no longer be needed once the show passes the books.
Maybe not.
So, you see this thread merging with the Reader's thread and a continuing need for a crackpot?
After brief discussion and Cokes implacability, I was very easily convinced - just in the past half hour - that the Hodor thread remain, if only as a containment area for Hodors.
As the stories diverge further - I see it more like this:
Hodor thread (show only - no "paper" - "ink" or fancy "words" to confuse or distract them)
"Middle Ground" thread - people discuss differences between the show and books - what they like about one, versus the other - primarily discussing how they will handle X, Y, or Z as the show goes forward without released source material (the natural evolution of this thread - people who may have read a little, but mostly those who watched the show, THEN picked the books up - the bulk of us who have read anything fall into this category).
"Reader's/Crackpot" thread - focused on the books, looking backwards at the show - theorizing about what's to come in both or either. (Mainly for people who read most or all of the books before the show - and/or obsessively read/analyze discuss various theories about unseen characters and potential future events)
But, maybe that's my natural evolution as a recovering Hodor.
This post was edited on 5/15/15 at 11:43 am
Posted on 5/15/15 at 11:42 am to saintsfan92612
Oh yeah, I've heard that. So he would be Dany's nephew?
Posted on 5/15/15 at 11:50 am to wadewilson
If theories are correct, then yes, Jon is Dany's nephew.
Not an unusual pairing if you're a Targaryen, or from (insert state you wish to insult) Alabama.
Not an unusual pairing if you're a Targaryen, or from (insert state you wish to insult) Alabama.
Posted on 5/15/15 at 11:58 am to PsychTiger
It also depends on when GRRM releases Winds of Winter. I mean, I realize that it's looking less and less likely that he'll release it before next season, but miracles do happen. 
But yeah, there's no way that the Hodors will ever be in a thread with any book discussions taking place, even if the show has passed the books.
I figured that the book reader and middle ground threads would merge, and the crackpot would stay up. The problem will be when the book readers want to discuss events that happened in the book, that were left out of the show, and the possibility of those events coming up later on the show.
But yeah, there's no way that the Hodors will ever be in a thread with any book discussions taking place, even if the show has passed the books.
I figured that the book reader and middle ground threads would merge, and the crackpot would stay up. The problem will be when the book readers want to discuss events that happened in the book, that were left out of the show, and the possibility of those events coming up later on the show.
Posted on 5/15/15 at 12:02 pm to Bamatab
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or from (insert state you wish to insult) Alabama
speaking of
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Bamatab
Posted on 5/15/15 at 12:03 pm to Bamatab
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The problem will be when the book readers want to discuss events that happened in the book, that were left out of the show, and the possibility of those events coming up later on the show.
How is that a problem in the middle ground? See - that's my problems with the definitions - Middle Ground is supposed to be readers who are not ahead of the show (and, upon hindsight, I realize I was getting ahead with some of my earlier comments in here and retracted them) - once the divergence is complete - as long as we're not spoiling "future" events - I mean the point of this thread is to discuss things in the books, but not spoil future events, right?
Once the divergence is complete we cannot know what will and will not be reinserted or reincorporated and that just has to be a risk for Middle Grounders - I mean, we're big boys and girls, right? Presumabably we're trying to read and catch up or we would be in the Hodor thread all along.
Again, what am I missing?
Posted on 5/15/15 at 12:18 pm to Ace Midnight
You're not missing anything. Book events the show skipped that occurred within the time frame the show has already covered have always been open for discussion in this thread (e.g., Ned's fever dream about the Tower of Joy). If the show does indeed pass all essential book events by the end of this season, then all info from the fully released books will be open game in this thread. Info from leaked chapters of Winds of Winter would not be, however.
AS long as the reader thread doesn't devolve into pure crackpot discussion (it has in the past) I don't see any reason why the MG and reader threads couldn't merge.
Though if enough people want to keep this thread as a bastian of sanity between the other threads, I am more than happy to keep it going next year.
AS long as the reader thread doesn't devolve into pure crackpot discussion (it has in the past) I don't see any reason why the MG and reader threads couldn't merge.
Though if enough people want to keep this thread as a bastian of sanity between the other threads, I am more than happy to keep it going next year.
Posted on 5/15/15 at 12:23 pm to Fearthehat0307
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or from (insert state you wish to insult) Alabama
speaking of
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Bamatab
Yeah, I got my eye on a cute little niece as we speak.
Posted on 5/15/15 at 12:29 pm to Bamatab
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Yeah, I got my eye on a cute little niece as we speak.
Remember, here at the Capstone, forks on the family tree are what we call - "luxuries" - y'all. Rawl Tahd!
Alabama: The Targaryeans of SEC's Game of Thrones...
Posted on 5/15/15 at 12:36 pm to PsychTiger
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You're not missing anything. Book events the show skipped that occurred within the time frame the show has already covered have always been open for discussion in this thread (e.g., Ned's fever dream about the Tower of Joy). If the show does indeed pass all essential book events by the end of this season, then all info from the fully released books will be open game in this thread. Info from leaked chapters of Winds of Winter would not be, however.
AS long as the reader thread doesn't devolve into pure crackpot discussion (it has in the past) I don't see any reason why the MG and reader threads couldn't merge.
But there is one particular storyline/character (that I'm specifically thinking of) that appears will be left out of the show, but it is still a pretty big topic on the reader thread, and is theorized by some to be a big player at the end (although I personally don't). And while I very seriously doubt that they will ever introduce that character/storyline, D & D could decide to introduce that next season or at the end of this season.
This post was edited on 5/15/15 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 5/15/15 at 12:40 pm to Bamatab
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But there is one particular storyline/character (that I'm specifically thinking of) that appears will be left out of the show, but it is still a pretty big topic on the reader thread, and is theorized by some to be a big player at the end.
Pretty sure I'm tracking - this is some of the stuff I'm talking about - lets assume for the sake of argument we put what was omitted in this thread - factually, as in the name of a particular vessel - and alternate way for Tyrion to have arrived in Meereen, etc., and even the the name of the folks, etc., (the public name, G/YG is the storyline I assume you're referring), but did not engage in the speculation that Tyrion did, or the subsequent discussions about this character, this character's importance beyond that. I think that would be okay.
But where does one draw the line? Is that why the lines between these threads are getting fuzzier and fuzzier?
Posted on 5/15/15 at 12:41 pm to PsychTiger
Once the show completely passes the books, I feel like the middle ground and hodor thread could be combined. Because at that point, there wouldn't be anything left to spoil. Us posting stuff like, "that's not what happened in the books, this is what really happened..." wouldn't be spoiling anything because the show already took a different turn. Book Reader thread and crackpot could be combined as well.
Posted on 5/15/15 at 12:47 pm to iluvdatiger
But you know some Hodors will still not want to know anything about the books, whether it can spoil them or not. We will still need 3 threads, just not 4.
Posted on 5/15/15 at 12:50 pm to PsychTiger
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But you know some Hodors will still not want to know anything about anything, at all, ever
FTFY
Posted on 5/15/15 at 12:54 pm to PsychTiger
their leader don't want to know anything at all.
Posted on 5/15/15 at 12:55 pm to iluvdatiger
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Once the show completely passes the books, I feel like the middle ground and hodor thread could be combined. Because at that point, there wouldn't be anything left to spoil. Us posting stuff like, "that's not what happened in the books, this is what really happened..." wouldn't be spoiling anything because the show already took a different turn.
I don't think the Hodors will ever go for that. There are still a few things that the books went into greater detail about, that the Hodors want to continue to stay in the dark about (Hodors like the dark). I just have a feeling they will still not want any book related conversations going on in their thread.
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Book Reader thread and crackpot could be combined as well.
This I agree with.
This post was edited on 5/15/15 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 5/15/15 at 1:02 pm to Ace Midnight
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Pretty sure I'm tracking - this is some of the stuff I'm talking about - lets assume for the sake of argument we put what was omitted in this thread - factually, as in the name of a particular vessel - and alternate way for Tyrion to have arrived in Meereen, etc., and even the the name of the folks, etc., (the public name, G/YG is the storyline I assume you're referring), but did not engage in the speculation that Tyrion did, or the subsequent discussions about this character, this character's importance beyond that. I think that would be okay. But where does one draw the line? Is that why the lines between these threads are getting fuzzier and fuzzier?
I'd say when it has or could have a bearing on present show events it shouldn't be posted. Still kinda fuzzy but better to be safe than a mfing spoiler.
Posted on 5/17/15 at 8:21 am to iluvdatiger
quote:Do you even Hodor?
Once the show completely passes the books, I feel like the middle ground and hodor thread could be combined. Because at that point, there wouldn't be anything left to spoil. Us posting stuff like, "that's not what happened in the books, this is what really happened..." wouldn't be spoiling anything because the show already took a different turn.
Posted on 5/17/15 at 12:13 pm to PsychTiger
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But you know some Hodors will still not want to know anything about the books, whether it can spoil them or not. We will still need 3 threads, just not 4.
yeah, the Tower of Joy flashback shows this.
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