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Finally saw Sunset Boulevard (spoilers)
Posted on 4/20/25 at 12:43 am
Posted on 4/20/25 at 12:43 am
I thought it was good. It was certainly extremely creepy. However I do have a major complaint. No one is likeable enough to make me care too much. Nancy Olsen is the character that comes closest and even she is cheating on her fiance. Holden as a character I don’t think I got. Obviously greatly acted, but he made a lot of bad decisions including trying to hook up with his best friend’s finance immediately. I get the movie recognizes his flaws and that’s why he dies but it still makes it an odd protagonist.
“Norma” is obviously not sane and the most unlikable. I mean, she’s the reason to watch the film but not exactly enjoyable.
“Norma” is obviously not sane and the most unlikable. I mean, she’s the reason to watch the film but not exactly enjoyable.
This post was edited on 4/20/25 at 6:53 am
Posted on 4/20/25 at 12:45 am to athenslife101
ESL? You posting from Eastern Europe? Just wake from a coma? You articulate your thoughts the way Tarzan would pen a letter.
Posted on 4/20/25 at 1:59 am to athenslife101
Nancy Olsen is still alive.
The film is one in a string that, particularly auteurs, Hollywood likes to make from time to time. It tends to bring out the best because it is something that they know.
Obviously, a recent example is Babylon. QT made Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. The Coens made Hail Caesar!. Tim Burton made Ed Wood.
Most directors of any stature get around to it eventually and Billy Wilder had his here. The acting was top notch with a lot of cameos that gave a nod to the silent era. This was, sort of, the "talkies" way of recognizing the previous generation. It was also a not-so-subtle dig at the way the system chewed up folks, particularly women, and discarded them when they were no longer of value. I'm surprised it got made in the era of Jack Warner and Daryl Zanuck running things at their respective studios. This was Paramount right around the time of the forced sell off of their cinemas. The end of an era as well.
Billy Wilder is in the discussion of best writer/directors of all time. He won 3 best screenplay Oscars and Sunset Boulevard is the middle one (between The Lost Weekend and The Apartment) - of course he won the best director Oscar for the other 2, losing for Sunset Boulevard to Joe Mankiewicz (All About Eve).
Billy only directed 26 or so features and was nominated for Best Director 8 times, winning the 2 mentioned above. He had 11 screenplays nominated with 3 wins, some directed by others.
At the Oscars, Sunset Boulevard had nominations in all major categories: Picture, Director, the 4 acting categories and screenplay, winning screenplay, art direction and score. Wilder would later direct Holden to his only Best Actor Oscar win in Stalag 17 (thus directing him in 2 of his 3 nominated performances, with Network rounding it out). Sunset Boulevard was Nancy Olsen's only Oscar nomination, appearing with Holden in 4 films, total. Gloria Swanson won a Golden Globe for the movie, but her feature film career revival was reasonably short-lived. She did find a home on television, working well into the 1970s.
It is commonly listed among the greatest films of all time.
The film is one in a string that, particularly auteurs, Hollywood likes to make from time to time. It tends to bring out the best because it is something that they know.
Obviously, a recent example is Babylon. QT made Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. The Coens made Hail Caesar!. Tim Burton made Ed Wood.
Most directors of any stature get around to it eventually and Billy Wilder had his here. The acting was top notch with a lot of cameos that gave a nod to the silent era. This was, sort of, the "talkies" way of recognizing the previous generation. It was also a not-so-subtle dig at the way the system chewed up folks, particularly women, and discarded them when they were no longer of value. I'm surprised it got made in the era of Jack Warner and Daryl Zanuck running things at their respective studios. This was Paramount right around the time of the forced sell off of their cinemas. The end of an era as well.
Billy Wilder is in the discussion of best writer/directors of all time. He won 3 best screenplay Oscars and Sunset Boulevard is the middle one (between The Lost Weekend and The Apartment) - of course he won the best director Oscar for the other 2, losing for Sunset Boulevard to Joe Mankiewicz (All About Eve).
Billy only directed 26 or so features and was nominated for Best Director 8 times, winning the 2 mentioned above. He had 11 screenplays nominated with 3 wins, some directed by others.
At the Oscars, Sunset Boulevard had nominations in all major categories: Picture, Director, the 4 acting categories and screenplay, winning screenplay, art direction and score. Wilder would later direct Holden to his only Best Actor Oscar win in Stalag 17 (thus directing him in 2 of his 3 nominated performances, with Network rounding it out). Sunset Boulevard was Nancy Olsen's only Oscar nomination, appearing with Holden in 4 films, total. Gloria Swanson won a Golden Globe for the movie, but her feature film career revival was reasonably short-lived. She did find a home on television, working well into the 1970s.
It is commonly listed among the greatest films of all time.
This post was edited on 4/20/25 at 2:06 am
Posted on 4/20/25 at 7:48 am to athenslife101
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I thought it was good. It was certainly extremely creepy. However I do have a major complaint. No one is likeable enough to make me care too much.
I first watched Sunset Boulevard a dozen years ago and was blown away. The story told from a dead man's ending back to the beginning was unique.
Yea, something about B&W films -- in this one, the creepiness factor was always looming. Erich von Stroheim, cast as Swanson's Butler-man servant character made sure of that along with the Adams Family-like mansion. Interesting in that he actually directed Swanson during her silent-film era.
Gloria Swanson, aka washed up Hollywood star of the Silent-Film era -- actress "Norma Desmond" -- was perfectly cast. I'd imagine her acting chops surprised many in Tinseltown because I was shocked at how good she was. So many iconic scenes to count. Her rich, lonely eccentric character could even be playful and affectionate (when she wasn't vindictive, entitled and possessive.) Remember the Charlie Chaplin scene?
The audience is supposed to be conflicted about all the characters IMO.
Nancy Olsen. Yes she's engaged. But obviously not ready to settle. She was immediately drawn to Holden's mature, charming character (as was Miss Desmond.)
Holden's character. A bit of a wondering soul like many men who could not figure himself out. He sold himself out; deprived himself; compromised on his integrity and self-respect and tried to reclaim it. We don't know whether he wanted to be a masochist or just wanted to feel sorry for himself. The Nancy Olsen character tossed herself at him -- he didn't have the discipline to resist. Plus they seemed to actually connect and share common interests etc.
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“Norma” is obviously not sane and the most unlikable. I mean, she’s the reason to watch the film but not exactly enjoyable.
Norma was compelling to me exactly because she was so unpredictable and delusional.
Also of note: I liked the "car" scene and cameo by Cecil B. DeMille during his actual filming of the Biblical flick at the time, Quo Vadis (?)
Posted on 4/20/25 at 7:51 am to Ace Midnight
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Wilder would later direct Holden to his only Best Actor Oscar win in Stalag 17
Did not know that.
Another classic.
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The acting was top notch with a lot of cameos that gave a nod to the silent era.
This was, sort of, the "talkies" way of recognizing the previous generation. It was also a not-so-subtle dig at the way the system chewed up folks, particularly women, and discarded them when they were no longer of value. I'm surprised it got made in the era of Jack Warner and Daryl Zanuck running things at their respective studios.
This was Paramount right around the time of the forced sell off of their cinemas. The end of an era as well.
Posted on 4/20/25 at 10:34 am to athenslife101
It’s a great movie. Both Swanson and von Stroheim were major silent-era stars. Joe is a tragic figure who redeems himself by not leaving the mansion with Betty when she asks him. But he is also consistently kind to Norma and really doesn’t seem to be on the take too much.
The thing that bugs me about SB is the point of departure. Joe should let them take his car. He lives in Hollywood, which at that time was as walkable as Manhattan. Get a job as a waiter and keep writing like 99% of screenwriters in LA.
Nancy Olsen was underrated casting.
The thing that bugs me about SB is the point of departure. Joe should let them take his car. He lives in Hollywood, which at that time was as walkable as Manhattan. Get a job as a waiter and keep writing like 99% of screenwriters in LA.
Nancy Olsen was underrated casting.
Posted on 4/20/25 at 12:51 pm to HueyLongJr
I teach this in film class. The biggest discussion among students is, “Do you feel sorry for, or contempt for Norma?”
This post was edited on 4/20/25 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 4/20/25 at 1:00 pm to cypresstiger
Contempt. Not much sympathy at all for her
Posted on 4/20/25 at 6:21 pm to cypresstiger
I mostly pity her because she's helpless. The degree to which she's complicit in creating that helplessness is so far in the past that it's hard to hold her responsible. By the time we meet her, she's practically insane.
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