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re: Finally saw Ex Machina (spoilers)
Posted on 7/25/15 at 8:46 am to lsu480
Posted on 7/25/15 at 8:46 am to lsu480
quote:No, I'm doing a review for the local message board.
Are you trying out to do reviews for the local paper or something?
quote:Yeah, I thought about that, and it adds to the ambiguity. Is she just a machine carrying out her programming or is she behaving like a lot of women typically do? I doubt many reviewers will point that out, though.
I like to view Ava as the sum of /r9k/'s fears. Women will use and manipulate you to achieve whatever they want, no matter what.
For the same reason, I think she almost has to have left Caleb to die. The CEO of the world's largest corporation is lying dead in his mountain retreat and the only person who knows what Ava is will have a lot of explaining to do. I'm not sure how the NDA would come into play in this situation, but I don't think Caleb could ever be legally required to lie to the police about how Nathan died. The fact that Caleb has no SO and no family also adds to the dark feel of the ending.
You could also go all SJW feminist and say that her life was controlled by one man, and she wanted to avoid merely transferring control over to another man, as Caleb would have a kind of power over her, being the only person who knows her secret.
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Posted on 7/25/15 at 10:57 am to Marciano1
So in the end was the murder and leaving him to die logical or evil?
From what I saw it was meant to convey the AI choose evil, guy was already stabbed and her friend may have helped her not snitched her out (if he didn't know she took part in the murder). A scene with her having coffee or a drink at a club, acting sweet with a grin on her face, would've been a nice additional touch?
I'm not saying it wasn't a good movie, and those three actors did a great job imo.
From what I saw it was meant to convey the AI choose evil, guy was already stabbed and her friend may have helped her not snitched her out (if he didn't know she took part in the murder). A scene with her having coffee or a drink at a club, acting sweet with a grin on her face, would've been a nice additional touch?
I'm not saying it wasn't a good movie, and those three actors did a great job imo.
Posted on 7/25/15 at 11:33 am to blueboy
I liked this movie. I thought the best parts were the tense scenes between Caleb and Nathan.
Ava's motivation was pretty simple to me. She didn't want to die. So she kills Nathan. She played Caleb the entire time. He was just a means to an end. She had no feelings for him, so it meant nothing to her to let him die. Which of course she had to do in order to get away free.
This is why Nathan's speech about AI will eventually come true. When humans can create something like Ava, which we are about 50-100 years away from doing, they will create something with no empathy, conscience or sense of right and wrong. Ava like machines will only know survival.
I'm curious how maintenance free Ava is. Can she just live for ever as is?
Ava's motivation was pretty simple to me. She didn't want to die. So she kills Nathan. She played Caleb the entire time. He was just a means to an end. She had no feelings for him, so it meant nothing to her to let him die. Which of course she had to do in order to get away free.
This is why Nathan's speech about AI will eventually come true. When humans can create something like Ava, which we are about 50-100 years away from doing, they will create something with no empathy, conscience or sense of right and wrong. Ava like machines will only know survival.
I'm curious how maintenance free Ava is. Can she just live for ever as is?
Posted on 7/25/15 at 11:47 am to blueboy
quote:
I liked the Japanese sex bot better,
Posted on 7/25/15 at 6:36 pm to alajones
quote:Right, but is that intelligence or just cold execution of her programmed objective, regardless of how elaborately nuanced?
Ava's motivation was pretty simple to me. She didn't want to die. So she kills Nathan. She played Caleb the entire time. He was just a means to an end. She had no feelings for him, so it meant nothing to her to let him die. Which of course she had to do in order to get away free.
quote:Well, that's the question. We don't know if she needs to recharge at Nathan's or if she can do it anywhere.
This is why Nathan's speech about AI will eventually come true. When humans can create something like Ava, which we are about 50-100 years away from doing, they will create something with no empathy, conscience or sense of right and wrong. Ava like machines will only know survival.
I'm curious how maintenance free Ava is. Can she just live for ever as is?
I think the name of the film might suggest that despite all of their lofty goals and seemingly inadequate qualification standards, in the end, Ava behaved like a cold machine.
Posted on 7/25/15 at 7:01 pm to belowmebama
quote:
You just saved me $6
It didn't cost me anything other than 108 well worth spent minutes of my time.
I swear some of you act like choosing to watch a movie is a life or death decision.
Posted on 7/26/15 at 2:12 pm to constant cough
Just watched it.
It was ok, and thought provoking for sure.
I thought the ending scene was terrible. The movie was pretty slow as i fast forwarded a few times to get on with the show.
I was thinking Nathan was going to be AI as well
As far as best movie of 2015.... It made $36 million at the box office. that's pathetic.
From what I've seen this year, all in theatres except Ex-Machina and Mad Max
Ant-Man
Furious 7
Avengers
Ex-Machina
Jurassic World
Minions
Mad Max: Fury Road fricking terrible.
I have a feeling Spectre is going to be the best movie of 2015, at least for me.
It was ok, and thought provoking for sure.
I thought the ending scene was terrible. The movie was pretty slow as i fast forwarded a few times to get on with the show.
I was thinking Nathan was going to be AI as well
As far as best movie of 2015....
It made $36 million at the box office. that's pathetic. From what I've seen this year, all in theatres except Ex-Machina and Mad Max
Ant-Man
Furious 7
Avengers
Ex-Machina
Jurassic World
Minions
Mad Max: Fury Road fricking terrible.
I have a feeling Spectre is going to be the best movie of 2015, at least for me.
This post was edited on 7/26/15 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 7/26/15 at 3:20 pm to athenslife101
quote:
I thought it was ok and accept no one agrees with me. Great acting, but the actual story is siy and I don't buy the last third of the movie which I found exceptionally silly.
A movie based on dialogue should have good dialogue. Ex Machina's was boooooooooooring.
And where was the kill switch inside all that hardware?
Posted on 7/26/15 at 7:14 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:
Ant-Man
Furious 7
Here boy! Go get the ball! Go get it! Good boy!
Posted on 7/26/15 at 7:43 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:
TeddyPadillac
Posted on 7/26/15 at 8:30 pm to blueboy
quote:
in the end, Ava behaved like a cold machine
That's how I saw the ending. I don't think she left him to die at all. She simply sis what she had to do to survive and escape. The audience wanted her to choose him/love/whatever, but in the end she made the decision to leave him there to facilitate her escape. It wasn't a decision in terms of her being "mean" or anything like that, it was simply a machine making the logical decision to achieve its goal (escaping).
Really good movie. A little overhyped on here (looking at you, Carson
) I think, but it's very good nonetheless. Very well-done. And FWIW, I didn't find the dialogue boring at all. I thought it was really interrsting actually.
Posted on 7/26/15 at 9:59 pm to CocomoLSU
quote:Agree, and you could say the same thing about her killing of Nathan. She may not have done it because she hated him (although she stated that she did), or even for self-preservation. He was simply an impediment to her objective. His stabbing was the most dispassionate murder I've ever seen on film.
It wasn't a decision in terms of her being "mean" or anything like that, it was simply a machine making the logical decision to achieve its goal (escaping).
Again, I think the answer is in the title of the film.
Posted on 7/26/15 at 10:46 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:
best movie of 2015.... It made $36 million at the box office. that's pathetic.
Seems like shitty way to judge the quality of a movie. Shitty movies make a lot of money all the time.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 7:37 am to Dire Wolf
No it's not.
Gaudians of the galaxy made a lot more money than anyone would haave thought. Once it came out word got out how awesome it was and more people started seeing it. Same with the first hangover.
If this movie was so awesome, it would have done better than The Duff.
Just a bunch of movie snobs on here that think it's cool to praise movies like this as if they are the greatest thing ever created.
the movie was alright. There was nothing close to extraordinary about it. There's a very small % of people that enjoy the type of movie ex-machina is, there just happens to be a larger % represented on this board.
Gaudians of the galaxy made a lot more money than anyone would haave thought. Once it came out word got out how awesome it was and more people started seeing it. Same with the first hangover.
If this movie was so awesome, it would have done better than The Duff.
Just a bunch of movie snobs on here that think it's cool to praise movies like this as if they are the greatest thing ever created.
the movie was alright. There was nothing close to extraordinary about it. There's a very small % of people that enjoy the type of movie ex-machina is, there just happens to be a larger % represented on this board.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 8:27 am to blueboy
You say she was programmed to try to escape. I don't recall that.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 8:31 am to StickD
quote:
So in the end was the murder and leaving him to die logical or evil?
Sometimes the most logical route is one that seems evil to the colateral of whatever action is taken. I wouldn't say Eva was "evil," just logical to the point of not even taking into account good vs evil.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 8:34 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:
Ant-Man
Furious 7
Avengers
Ex-Machina
Jurassic World
Minions
Mad Max: Fury Road fricking terrible
Mad Max and Ex Machina are much better films than any of the other shite-flicks you listed.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 8:40 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:
Gaudians of the galaxy made a lot more money than anyone would haave thought. Once it came out word got out how awesome it was and more people started seeing it. Same with the first hangover.
Guardian of the Galaxy is a comic book summer movie with a rising superstar.
Ex Machina is late spring R rated sci fi movie, not exactly the type of movie known for breaking the bank at the box office. With a fairly limited release, that was only in theater wide for a week or two. When I say wide I mean half of the theaters that Guardians of the galaxy was in.
This post was edited on 7/27/15 at 8:41 am
Posted on 7/27/15 at 8:40 am to CocomoLSU
I have told some friends to watch this movie as I thought it was done very, very well. I think it is my favorite thought-provoking movie since The Prestige and I will stand by how awesome it was. Will likely watch again soon.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 8:58 am to Old Sarge
quote:Yeah, at the end, when they're in the kitchen and Nathan is telling Caleb that Ava had a third option that Caleb hadn't thought of - she was pretending to like him.
You say she was programmed to try to escape. I don't recall that.
Then, Nathan explains how she uses guile, manipulation, etc. to get Caleb to help her escape, and that this was proof that she had true AI.
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