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re: Can we finally ditch origin stories for all these superhero/remake movies?
Posted on 6/14/13 at 8:34 pm to JabarkusRussell
Posted on 6/14/13 at 8:34 pm to JabarkusRussell
Did I miss some movie series for Iron Man? As far as I know, his first theatrical film was in 2008. Also, how the hell are you going to complain about seeing the same story again, when 1. No two origin stories are the same and 2. Your solution is to take one damn comic story and make it the script for the movie. Why the hell would you pay $12 to see a story that you already read for $3?
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Posted on 6/14/13 at 8:39 pm to DURANTULA
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Did I miss some movie series for Iron Man?
I'm referring to the inevitable reboot.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 8:39 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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ok #1 I singled out BB as being a little different in the OP and #2 like I said it bothers me because we could be exploring new and different archs. Wouldn't you like to see a Superman movie with Braniac? Or Doomsday?
Sure, but you gotta have a foundation before you build a house. Brainiac or Doomsday incorporated into what they established in this film will be ten times as satisying as without it.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 8:41 pm to Draconian Sanctions
I see where you're coming from Drac and I do think we'll eventually get the "James Bond" treatment on some franchises as they continue to pump them out.
That being said, a new origin film can be old and new at the same time. MOS did more with the Krypton background then any other film ever attempted. It really did feel fresh. Amazing Spider-Man, on the other hand, didnt freshen it up quite as well.
That being said, a new origin film can be old and new at the same time. MOS did more with the Krypton background then any other film ever attempted. It really did feel fresh. Amazing Spider-Man, on the other hand, didnt freshen it up quite as well.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 8:50 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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don't you want original stories
hmmmmmmmmm
Posted on 6/14/13 at 8:51 pm to BigAppleTiger
The James Bond approach is really unique to that franchise. He isn't one set character. That character is more "Doctor Whoish" in that most people believe it's just the name given to that particular agent at the time. Like whomever is designated as Agent 007 is referred to as James Bond. Like Agent 008 would also be referred to as Michael Williams or whatever.
That particular character and the nature of that character really doesn't call for a origin story.
Superheroes are a different beasts. What makes them tick? How/Why did they go from Average Joe to Superhero? What principles guide them? What tone will their world have? How does society react to them? What is their motivation?
If you don't know where a character is coming from, do you really truly care where they are going?
That particular character and the nature of that character really doesn't call for a origin story.
Superheroes are a different beasts. What makes them tick? How/Why did they go from Average Joe to Superhero? What principles guide them? What tone will their world have? How does society react to them? What is their motivation?
If you don't know where a character is coming from, do you really truly care where they are going?
Posted on 6/14/13 at 8:58 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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ok #1 I singled out BB as being a little different in the OP and #2 like I said it bothers me because we could be exploring new and different archs. Wouldn't you like to see a Superman movie with Braniac? Or Doomsday?
You act like there wont be sequels
Its called character development and setting up the plot. The Superman in MOS is not the same Superman from the 70s or in Superman returns. Batman from BB is not the same as the 80s versions amd certainly not the same as the Shumaker version. You need to see where that character came from
Youd rather this movie just go," Oh hey btw Supermans here and heres this villain he has to fight" and then turn that into multiple movies? Thats where Superhero films go wrong, not developing the background
And I dont want to spoil anything for you but Supermans origin is absolutely VITAL to the plot of MOS. it has a purpose outside of just rehashing how Superman is Superman
Posted on 6/14/13 at 9:56 pm to wildtigercat93
My take- sometimes it's a good move, sometimes it's a rather shameless rip-off.
The Amazing Spider-Man was actually well made, but there was no point other than to make money. Sony did the reboot so Marvel couldn't reclaim the character; the movie really could have been a sequel to the last trilogy and it would have performed as well.
Man of Steel, after watching it today, is a lot more along the lines of Batman Begins. This is NOT the Christopher Reeves character.
To be honest, this movie actually fits in well with the Marvel movies. I understand it's a different universe, but this would mesh very seamlessly with the Avengers plotlines; the government acts more like what SHIELD does (in concept), instead of Batman's (and for that matter, Green Lantern's) world. And this Supes would have fit into the Avengers story well- he probably would have laid low and let "those guys" handle what was happening in Manhattan, since they were on the scene and taking care of business... and would have quickly ended the problem if the Avengers had failed. And the final scene in Man of Steel shows exactly how he'd have handled being "recruited" by SHIELD.
The Amazing Spider-Man was actually well made, but there was no point other than to make money. Sony did the reboot so Marvel couldn't reclaim the character; the movie really could have been a sequel to the last trilogy and it would have performed as well.
Man of Steel, after watching it today, is a lot more along the lines of Batman Begins. This is NOT the Christopher Reeves character.
To be honest, this movie actually fits in well with the Marvel movies. I understand it's a different universe, but this would mesh very seamlessly with the Avengers plotlines; the government acts more like what SHIELD does (in concept), instead of Batman's (and for that matter, Green Lantern's) world. And this Supes would have fit into the Avengers story well- he probably would have laid low and let "those guys" handle what was happening in Manhattan, since they were on the scene and taking care of business... and would have quickly ended the problem if the Avengers had failed. And the final scene in Man of Steel shows exactly how he'd have handled being "recruited" by SHIELD.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 10:48 pm to Draconian Sanctions
All I know is the the recent Batman series, Amazing Spiderman, and now Man of Steel would have been awful it we just jumped into the story with them being a superhero and ready to save the day.
Origin stories make the viewer feel more emotionally connected and once again it comes back to getting more viewers. You can't assume that everyone out there that could go see your movie knows the origin story, that'd be a terrible business mistake.
Origin stories make the viewer feel more emotionally connected and once again it comes back to getting more viewers. You can't assume that everyone out there that could go see your movie knows the origin story, that'd be a terrible business mistake.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 11:20 pm to DURANTULA
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That particular character and the nature of that character really doesn't call for a origin story.
That being said, I'd love a period piece Bond film set in the 60s.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 11:44 pm to JabarkusRussell
I'd love a Bond movie that explored the origins of Bond using the idea that I covered. How the organization that oversees the Agents came about, why they are given numbers, why they are given each name, what traits they look for in each of those agents, and so on and such. I know that in recent films, Bond has been a part of MI6, but it'd be interesting to see a true origin film for that whole idea even if they don't make a true "franchise" out of it (Maybe just use it for its own self contained trilogy and then go off on non-related tangents).
Posted on 6/15/13 at 7:17 am to Draconian Sanctions
What about marvel
Posted on 6/15/13 at 7:47 am to DURANTULA
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most people believe it's just the name given to that particular agent at the time
Most people don't think that.
I do think that if Bond stalls out again in the future, they'll start it over again back in the 60's and one day we'll see a Bond Begins type movie.
Posted on 6/15/13 at 8:07 am to FairhopeTider
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Most people don't think that.
Came here to post this. There is nothing in the movies that leads to that conclusion.
Posted on 6/15/13 at 8:27 am to Draconian Sanctions
Upvoted.
Posted on 6/15/13 at 8:36 am to boom roasted
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There is nothing in the movies that leads to that conclusion.
It's a fun Internet theory, but that's about it.
Posted on 6/15/13 at 11:03 am to Draconian Sanctions
The movie has to show the origin story for people who never watched the 1978 movie. That was a long time ago. There are plenty of People who haven't seen it or read the comics. The girl I went to man of steel with Friday didn't know anything about superman's origins and she is 23. I like the fresh take especially since it's been a long time since the the Old movie.
Also they wanted make superman a different character from the old superman and to do that you have to start with an originstory.
Also they wanted make superman a different character from the old superman and to do that you have to start with an originstory.
This post was edited on 6/15/13 at 11:08 am
Posted on 6/15/13 at 11:04 am to Draconian Sanctions
Perhaps, supposedly MOS doesn't hold itself to pure origins. Batman is the greatest origin story and 
to Nolan for finally putting it on the screen
to Nolan for finally putting it on the screenPosted on 6/15/13 at 2:16 pm to FairhopeTider
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The movie has to show the origin story for people who never watched the 1978 movie
I understand for Superman but not Spiderman when the first one came out just 10 years ago.
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The girl I went to man of steel with Friday didn't know anything about superman's origins and she is 23.
I only knew about Superman's origins thanks to Darkwing Duck.
This post was edited on 6/15/13 at 2:17 pm
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