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re: Breaking Bad S5E15 9/22 "Granite State"
Posted on 9/25/13 at 2:40 pm to Ace Midnight
Posted on 9/25/13 at 2:40 pm to Ace Midnight
Then again after that phone call with his son about the money..maybe money isn't as important to him anymore.
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Posted on 9/25/13 at 2:44 pm to SEClint
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Then again after that phone call with his son about the money..maybe money isn't as important to him anymore.
Walt never thinks he can't make it right, though.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 2:44 pm to LNCHBOX
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No it isn't. Elliott and Gretchen refueled that fire with the interview.
Ok, let's wait and see.
That interview poked at Walt's ego, dimished everything he's done. He wants people to say his name. That's his motivation now, not revenge on Gray Matter.
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You think the Nazis are a more important storyline that what made Walt who he is?
Yes, 100% without a doubt the nazis, Todd, Lydia, Jesse are all more important than Gray Matter.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 2:46 pm to EarthwormJim
Yeah, the Nazis definitely have priority in his mind. He blames them for ruining what was left of his life.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 2:46 pm to EarthwormJim
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That interview poked at Walt's ego, dimished everything he's done. He wants people to say his name. That's his motivation now, not revenge on Gray Matter.
In a show that does nothing by accident, you think the people that changed Walt's mind about turning himself in are not a major factor for why he is going back? Really?
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Yes, 100% without a doubt the nazis, Todd, Lydia, Jesse are all more important than Gray Matter.
Like you said, we'll see.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 2:47 pm to EarthwormJim
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the nazis, Todd, Lydia, Jesse are all more important than Gray Matter.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 2:54 pm to Ace Midnight
He gave up though, that was his rock bottom until he saw that interview. He made a fist in anger and that's what motivated him to go back to new Mexico. To me, it seems all he has left now is his pride.
The only question is trying to read his mind which isn't easy for anyone to do, what is he the most prideful of? And what will be his resolve? The added anxiety of it being the last episode..I guess everyone is on the "anything goes" type of scenarios. Which is totally justifiable with a show like breaking bad and a lunatic like Walter White.
We know he has a M60, he says he's not leaving town. He purposely goes back to get the ricin and doesn't care if he's seen by anyone. I can't help but feel shite is about to go down.
The only question is trying to read his mind which isn't easy for anyone to do, what is he the most prideful of? And what will be his resolve? The added anxiety of it being the last episode..I guess everyone is on the "anything goes" type of scenarios. Which is totally justifiable with a show like breaking bad and a lunatic like Walter White.
We know he has a M60, he says he's not leaving town. He purposely goes back to get the ricin and doesn't care if he's seen by anyone. I can't help but feel shite is about to go down.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:06 pm to LNCHBOX
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In a show that does nothing by accident, you think the people that changed Walt's mind about turning himself in are not a major factor for why he is going back? Really?
It's not hard to see what the interview scene was about. It wasn't to send him on some revenge quest against 2 people that have gotten maybe 10 minutes of total screen time throughout the series.
Here's a part of the Grantland write up on this episode that does a good job of describing the interview.
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With Heisenberg buried in the snow, only the original heat of Walter White's burning resentment is enough to melt away the accumulated ice and ignite Breaking Bad’s final chapter. The Charlie Rose ex machina seemed a bit much, but Gretchen and Elliott Schwartz had to return, if only to remind both the audience and the character that losing his life's work is Walter White's life's work. The business of his death is the only thing still unwritten: how Walt will go, and whom he'll take with him. Last night, the man formerly known as Heisenberg had the distinct misfortune of learning exactly how he'll be remembered. Now it's up to Walter White to make sure his enemies, real and imagined, never forget.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:11 pm to EarthwormJim
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Here's a part of the Grantland write up
Always the first Breaking Bad thing I read on Monday
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:12 pm to EarthwormJim
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It's not hard to see what the interview scene was about. It wasn't to send him on some revenge quest against 2 people that have gotten maybe 10 minutes of total screen time throughout the series.
It's not just revenge against them. It is destroying what should have been his, and what he is now getting no credit for creating.
I don't think that storyline is resolved, and some Grantland article isn't changing that.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:50 pm to LNCHBOX
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In a show that does nothing by accident
Just curious, what was the point of him saying in the interview "the blue meth has resurfaced"
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:50 pm to Chair
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Just curious, what was the point of him saying in the interview "the blue meth has resurfaced"
He never said that, so I dunno.
ETA: If you're going to use quotes, it might be a good idea to use the exact text.
This post was edited on 9/25/13 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:14 pm to LNCHBOX
Whatever he said, "new reports" "continued reports." I don't know the exact wording.
But that sentence about the blue meth.
But that sentence about the blue meth.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:19 pm to Chair
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But that sentence about the blue meth.
It didn't stick with me - but "something" was mentioned.
It is unquestioned that he was furious about being dismissed as not contributing anything to the company except the name. He was also pissed at it being questioned if he was gone or not. He's done playing nice (at least in his mind - let's not confuse Walt's emotions and intentions with what actually happens - just as he often comes up with creative, clever, effective solutions to his problems, at the moment of crisis he often balks or makes a hash of it.)
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Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:24 pm to Chair
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Whatever he said, "new reports" "continued reports." I don't know the exact wording.
But that sentence about the blue meth.
Just to show that everything he has ever created has been claimed by someone else. If you watch the clip, you will notice he doesn't have any reaction to the blue meth being brought up. He reacts to Elliott and Gretchen saying he had nothing to do with GM but the name, and again when Gretchen says only Heisenberg exists now. I think he'd have at least shown some expression or had some reaction if he even thought of Jesse when the meth was brought up.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:25 pm to Chair
He said "continued" reports, followed by "Is Walter White still out there?"
Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:39 pm to craigbiggio
I just went and watched the scene.
There is a small reaction when he hers him mention "his signature product." He sorts of starts to open his mouth a little bit. I guess breathing more heavily. I don't know.
There is also definitely a reaction when he hears that it is "in Europe."
Not a angry one necessarily, but more of surprise one as he looks away for a second.
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There is a small reaction when he hers him mention "his signature product." He sorts of starts to open his mouth a little bit. I guess breathing more heavily. I don't know.
There is also definitely a reaction when he hears that it is "in Europe."
Not a angry one necessarily, but more of surprise one as he looks away for a second.
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Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:44 pm to LNCHBOX
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If you watch the clip, you will notice he doesn't have any reaction to the blue meth being brought up. He reacts to Elliott and Gretchen saying he had nothing to do with GM but the name, and again when Gretchen says only Heisenberg exists now. I think he'd have at least shown some expression or had some reaction if he even thought of Jesse when the meth was brought up.
I agree it doesn't appear to be much of a reaction until the GM stuff started in earnest. He could have just been mulling - Walt is an introvert, after all.
This is the evidence I'm relying on to side with you that this GM issue is the catalyst that has him headed back to New Mexico. I have not ruled out your theory - he's going back for his money and GM, and stumbles on Jesse along the way.
However, again, there was a point of him clipping newspaper articles and following the case from NH - he may have picked up some pieces of information that he is putting together as he goes. And it could be a final plan to get money out of GM, money that would be acceptable to Walt, Jr., because he might not even know where it came from (unlikely, because that's just not Walt - but perhaps he could live with it if Skyler knows).
In any event, his emotional state after the phone call might have dulled his response to the blue meth info that Charlie gave out. Could have been clever editing to suggest one thing.
I'm leaning towards a "He's going back to try to make things right - at least in his mind - which includes everything."
Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:48 pm to Ace Midnight
I never did say GM wasn't going to come into play. I just think GM got him boiling when he first saw them on TV. Then hearing about "his signature product" let him connect the dots about Jesse/Lydia/Nazis and really pushed him over the edge.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:50 pm to Chair
I think Walt feels like Dave mustaine must have felt like after getting kicked out of metallica
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