re: Blu-Ray being killed by HDDVD. Not a repeat from 2007

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I'm 25.

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Surprising given your stance. I always consider myself an old-timer (me and my Pet Sounds LP) who doesn't mind entrenching himself in technologies.

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I agree with most of what you said. Here's the thing: as soon as you take away the physical medium, it encourages piracy more than ever (it's bad enough as it is now)

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Piracy isn't as bad as people make it out to be, and it can't hurt the bottom line all that much. And honestly, something that forces artists to focus on the craft rather than money might help.

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People wont pay for 1's and 0's. It will be a matter of time before the industry is destroyed.

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Music is 1's and 0's on a CD as well. And it's not doom and gloom.

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Look at what happened to the music industry. It's all but dead right now.

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The popular music industry is as stagnant as ever, as it always has been. Real music? Still going strong, but yeah you might have to wade through piles of crap to get to the good stuff, but sometimes that's fun.

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Technology killed it. CD's became ripable and bandwidth got faster and faster. Fast forward 10 years and bands do not have any incentive to release a groundbreaking album anymore.

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I don't know about that. It has less to to with digital/physical media than it has to do with, "How do you do something new and groundbreaking when everything has been done twice?" Which is a whole different argument.

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Why should they when the minute they release it, it's pirated (most of the time even before release). This shifts the main money making aspect of music to live touring and bands get burned out on that.

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And most musicians will tell you they make jack from CD's. Most of their money comes from touring, promotions, public appearances, etc. CD's are actually the smallest part of their income.

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A great life changing album has not been released exclusively with iTunes, and never will.

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Yeah, because CD's still exist and 99% of music goes to both. This not a huge deal.

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Video killed the radio star, internet will kill the video star.

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Naaaa, too much chicken little here. You a musician at all?

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The future will be full of amatuers flooding the market with garbage.

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Any form of art is flooded with a bunch of no talent amateurs making crap. The story has never changed, we can merely watch their crappy youtube soap opera now, this won't change distribution.

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Now onto movies. Movies are following the music industries downfall very closely. Cinema has one huge advantage though. The difference with movies is, that the theater experience cannot be duplicated by 80-90% of consumers.

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And theaters will always exist, I agree with that. Physical media on the other hand...

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I actually lost where I was going with this post. I am a fan of digital distribution, but only along side physical media. This forces artists to put out a worthwhile product rather than spewing out garbage at an alarming rate.

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Then we aren't total opposites.

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I own the wall and dark side of the moon both on vinyl. Would those same albums have as much impact as .flac or .mp3 files with PDF artwork?

No.

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Dark Side of the Moon is probably one of the top 100 or so albums of all-time. You can't take that one album as an example. There may not have been an album as good as that released, but very few are anyway. Not a good comparison to make.

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You are welcome. I have the LP and the digital, best album of the year. Maybe not DSotM great, but great nonetheless.

music <> movies

i have dvds..and i have cds..the dvds have dust on them because i never watch them..the cds i listen to over and over

but that irrelevant. a model (like netflix streaming) where you always have access to any movie..then who gives a rip if you have a hard copy.

eta this also answers your argument about 'hard drives crashing'. thats a red herring b/c in the world of digital movies, you can always grab another copy.

eta2 bluray torrents are a thing of beauty

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as soon as you take away the physical medium, it encourages piracy more than ever

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Bad pricing structure is what encourages piracy. If something like iTunes had come out before Napster there wouldn't be an entire generation of youngsters who think music is supposed to be "free". The music companies screwed themselves by ignoring consumer demand.

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People wont pay for 1's and 0's.

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No they'll pay for access to content, higher quality downloads, fewer commercials, etc.

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Look at what happened to the music industry. It's all but dead right now. Technology killed it.

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No, flatly refusing to give customers what they wanted to protect outdated business models is part of what "killed" the music industry. And I'd argue that the music industry deserves to die, or at least be greatly transformed. You used to have expensive production, distribution, and marketing costs. Now production and distribution are practically free and the only significant thing record companies have to offer musicians is marketing. That's why they fought digital downloading so hard, it makes them pretty irrelevant.

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Video killed the radio star, internet will kill the video star.

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We are at a very tricky place right now as we transition to the Internet. Entertainers won't work for free so I think you'll eventually see small subscription fees for services like Hulu. Yes there will always be something like torrents, but they will always have a negative stigma attached to them and I think most people will opt for reasonably priced, easy to use services like NetFlix and iTunes.

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The future would be full of amatuers flooding the market with garbage. (think: youtube)

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No it won't. People don't go to youtube to find random artists, they go to Pandora or find a new song on someone's MySpace. I think the record companies will still remain around because they are the marketing gatekeepers and I don't see that changing. Even if they are supplanted by an Internet site, that site will just become the new gatekeeper and it will be in their interest to not promote crap.

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Now onto movies. Movies are following the music industries downfall very closely. Cinema has one huge advantage though. The difference with movies is, that the theater experience cannot be duplicated by 80-90% of consumers.

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I disagree. Regular DVD's on my 720p HDTV look fantastic. The only movies I want to see in the theater are the ones full of special effects. Over half of the movies I enjoy watching are just fine on the small screen. What will save movies is that the movie industry wasn't as foolish as the RIAA and they put out digital product in a much more timely manner. That and file size will keep most Americans getting movies from a legit source.

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I actually lost where I was going with this post. I am a fan of digital distribution, but only along side physical media. This forces artists to put out a worthwhile product rather than spewing out garbage at an alarming rate.

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Interesting factoid I ran across a few weeks ago was that the physical size of vinyl albums is part of why the 70's had so many long arse songs like Stairway to Heaven. When they switched from 45's to 60's (or something like that), artists all of the sudden had more time to fill on an album. The format definitely does affect the product.

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I own the wall and dark side of the moon both on vinyl. Would those same albums have as much impact as .flac or .mp3 files with PDF artwork?

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Music has a lot more competition as a form of entertainment than it did back then. I don't think you'll ever see the type of impact from music you used to see from the classic rock era. I've seen previews of the upcoming Woodstock movie and it blows my mind that a music festival could possibly be seen as such an impactful event.

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regardless of what you people are saying here, people want a hard copy of a movie.

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Not all people. I'm a renter, not a collector. It is rare that I pull out a DVD I've seen before unless it's a holiday movie or a kids movie.

I think some of your views are skewed by your youth and presumably the youth of those around you. Most people eventually grow out of the moochy poor college student taking advantage of every freebie possible stage.

fwiw with torrents i'm d/ling and using Vuze to stream in HD quality. The last DVD i bought was Taken and that was only because i wanted to see it and Hollywood Video was out.

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Bad pricing structure is what encourages piracy. If something like iTunes had come out before Napster there wouldn't be an entire generation of youngsters who think music is supposed to be "free". The music companies screwed themselves by ignoring consumer demand.

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