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Avon and Stringer.

Posted on 3/2/13 at 6:21 pm
Posted by Scoop
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Posted on 3/2/13 at 6:21 pm
Huge spoilers.















Rewatching The Wire over the last couple of weeks. Just finished season 3.

IMHO, Avon and Stringer giving each other up at the same time was the best plot line of the entire series.

Motivation, though.

Which had the most legitimate?

Stringer just wanted Avon clipped for a parole violation and sent back up for a couple of years to end the war with Marlo that was threatening Stringer's efforts to go relatively legit. Still, though, in giving up Avon, Stringer had to know all of the Barksdale muscle was going to go down in a raid on that house. The Barksdale crew was already having muscle problems against Marlo. Stringer was basically cutting off his cash flow and handing everything to Marlo.

Avon giving up Stringer to Omar and Brother is the harder one to figure out unless it's just about squaring up for D'Angelo.

Thoughts?

This post was edited on 3/2/13 at 6:33 pm
Posted by RonBurgundy
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Posted on 3/2/13 at 6:28 pm to
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Avon giving up Stringer to Omar and Brother is the harder one to figure out unless it's just about squaring up for D'Angelo.


Avon's motivation was to quit dealing with the Prop Joe/Greek/ Co-op bullshite and get back to his New York connection.He still had good credit with NY, but they were sour on Stringer since he put the hit out on Brother. Getting his old source back he wouldn't have to play nice with Marlo or the Co-op and he had more muscle then anyone at the time (even though he did hire some). He also had Marlo dead to rights at the rim shop, but Stringer was a bitch.
This post was edited on 3/2/13 at 6:29 pm
Posted by Scoop
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Posted on 3/2/13 at 6:31 pm to
I don't see Avon giving up String for death just to cut out of the New Day. Sorry. I can't come up with anything other than D'Angelo.
This post was edited on 3/2/13 at 6:32 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/2/13 at 6:39 pm to
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I don't see Avon giving up String for death just to cut out of the New Day. Sorry. I can't come up with anything other than D'Angelo.

it doesn't make sense in a logical standpoint, especially with the superior/cheaper prop joe product and the efficiency and cost-reduction of the peace that stringer/the co-op organized

but, as RonBurgandy once yelled at me via Blondie's phone, i apparently don't' know shite about this
Posted by RonBurgundy
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Posted on 3/2/13 at 6:50 pm to
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especially with the superior/cheaper prop joe produc


This doesn't matter. the Stringer led Barksdale crew made more money with a cheap product because they controlled the market(via more shops). Avon knew all along that the co-op was doomed to fail(and it did). He knew the market would return to equilibrium and real estate would matter most in the drug game of Baltimore. Barksdale was always looking to eliminate Prop Joe, not Marlo (whom he didn't see as an equal). Eliminating Marlo's crew would re-establish territory and the Co-op would push the Barksdale crew out of the package, Avon would have his corners back and the same connect that allowed him to rule West Baltimore before.


quote:

as RonBurgandy once yelled at me via Blondie's phone, i apparently don't' know shite about this



Well at least your ears work.
Posted by Scoop
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Posted on 3/2/13 at 7:04 pm to
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Avon knew all along that the co-op was doomed to fail


bullshite.

Avon never thought that far ahead. Did you even watch the show? Avon was street and Stringer was the brains with the long view. The show was never ambiguous about that. After the towers came down and The Barksdale Crew had to go back out and fight for corners, Avon was pissed that he had a crew that he couldn't run off and his street pride got up in his head and he couldn't let go of it. Stringer saw that and tried to send Avon up for a couple of years because Avon's obsession with Marlo was gonna bring it all down because the war was bringing heat from the cops.

This post was edited on 3/2/13 at 7:08 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/2/13 at 7:05 pm to
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he Stringer led Barksdale crew made more money with a cheap product because they controlled the market(via more shops).

but after the co-op, this model wouldn't work. remember in season 2 when they had all the corners and couldn't do shite b/c of their weak product? they'd be in the same boat, while all the others selling joe's stuff would be taking that market share

that's just basic economics

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Avon knew all along that the co-op was doomed to fail(and it did).

self fulfilling prophecy. avon's war led to the destruction of the co-op. avon destroying the barksdale crew let marlow become too strong, b/c the co-op didn't have the barksdale crew to be stronger as a whole

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He knew the market would return to equilibrium and real estate would matter most in the drug game of Baltimore.

marlow only joined the co op to work his way back to the greeks. product mattered. he didn't have the most corners, but he had control over all of baltimore b/c he had teh connection with the greeks once he killed joe

who had more real estate, all the other guys in the co-op or marlow? the co-op. who backed down? the co-op, not marlow

quote:

Avon would have his corners back and the same connect that allowed him to rule West Baltimore before.

the only thing that saved the barksdale crew was prop joe's product

this was before the co-op
Posted by RonBurgundy
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Posted on 3/3/13 at 4:20 am to
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bullshite.

Avon never thought that far ahead. Did you even watch the show? Avon was street and Stringer was the brains with the long view. The show was never ambiguous about that



Subtext. Avon had more vision and had no quelms about being gangster. If Stringer was so smart, then how come from the moment he took the reigns did he make decisions that ultimately led to his demise? Because he was short sighted.

quote:

Avon's obsession with Marlo


did not exist, "There's always gonna be another Marlo,man".Look at their scene in season 5, Avon didn't care about Marlo. Avon was only threatened by one guy on the show-Prop Joe.
This post was edited on 3/3/13 at 2:11 pm
Posted by keakdasneak
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Posted on 3/3/13 at 5:59 am to
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it doesn't make sense in a logical standpoint, especially with the superior/cheaper prop joe product and the efficiency and cost-reduction of the peace that stringer/the co-op organized



To me that was kind of the point. It was not logical. It was partly emotional because of D'Angelo. But Avon just wanted to do what he knew how to do (the old game) and Stringer was a major obstacle to him being able to do that. It was kind of an act of desperation by a person that couldn't totally make sense of or come to terms with the world he'd stepped back into.
Posted by HerbEaverstinks
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Posted on 3/3/13 at 10:05 am to
One of the first shows to wax a major character early on in the series. Freaked a lot of people out at the time. Another reason why the show was so great.
Posted by Scoop
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Posted on 3/3/13 at 7:42 pm to
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Subtext. Avon had more vision and had no quelms about being gangster. If Stringer was so smart, then how come from the moment he took the reigns did he make decisions that ultimately led to his demise? Because he was short sighted.
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Avon called String on that in one of the best scenes in the series. He told String he was too soft for the streets and not smart enough to get over on the legit side.

That challenge to String's manhood from Avon was 50/50 in why String admitted he had D killed. Avon challenged His hardness and String went out of his way to point out taking out D proved his hardness.
Posted by RonBurgundy
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Posted on 3/3/13 at 8:19 pm to
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That challenge to String's manhood from Avon was 50/50 in why String admitted he had D killed. Avon


Which is more evidence that String was weaker. At first, Bell was a great consigliere but when he took the reigns his ego did him in. fricking D's girl was an ego thing. Prop Joe duped him into the co-op deal.

In the Muzone-Avon barber shop scene, the move was set to leave the co-op and give stringer up. Since the buisness relationship had been fractured (with Stringer mishandlings the Marlo situation and Clay Davis situation) and the personal relationship severed(the murder of D) it was "just buisness"-to quote Avon.


Avon was the king on the chess board and in the famous pit scene illustrates how he saw the drug game-in slow motion.
This post was edited on 3/3/13 at 11:44 pm
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