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re: Avatar
Posted on 12/14/09 at 8:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 12/14/09 at 8:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
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this movie, if successful, will end up changing the action/sci fi genre, at least for a few years
remember how every movie used bullet time after matrix? it will be that, times about 10
+1
Movies these days are bad enough as it is.
You don't even need a story anymore....just a shite-ton of money and some computer graphics and BOOM! You've lulled in the fricking idiots.
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Posted on 12/14/09 at 9:04 pm to Luke4LSU
I don't mind CGI or even bad CGI. The problem is some directors and script writers forget to put a decent plot in along with the CGI.
Prime example, all of the prequels to Star Wars. Fantastic CGI but some of the worst dialog in the history of cinema. Even worse than this gem from Shark Attack III.
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We haven't seen the movie so we have no idea if there is a good story to go along with the CGI and 3-D.
Either way, I doubt it changes much as most studios are not going to be spending $400 mil to make the average movie.
Prime example, all of the prequels to Star Wars. Fantastic CGI but some of the worst dialog in the history of cinema. Even worse than this gem from Shark Attack III.
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We haven't seen the movie so we have no idea if there is a good story to go along with the CGI and 3-D.
Either way, I doubt it changes much as most studios are not going to be spending $400 mil to make the average movie.
Posted on 12/14/09 at 9:07 pm to TigerMyth36
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We haven't seen the movie so we have no idea if there is a good story to go along with the CGI and 3-D.
I have to think that if there was a good story to go along with it, they'd be selling the story (at least a little bit) along with the CGI.
They aren't. At all.
Posted on 12/14/09 at 9:08 pm to Luke4LSU
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You don't even need a story anymore...
Most movies follow the same dramatic structure anyway. Don't act like Star Wars, The Matrix, Lord of the Rings, and this Avatar movie won't have plot and thematic similarities.
The protagonist will be conflicted, have some sort of revelation, go through struggles in which he finds love, truth, doubt, etc, and then it all ends in a climax that justifies his journey. Seems like a story line that has been in place since, I don't know, ancient Greece.
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You've lulled in the fricking idiots.
What made you soooo much better than a public that is going to a movie for entertainment? This isn't Schindler's List, it's an action flick. Loosen up.
This post was edited on 12/14/09 at 9:10 pm
Posted on 12/14/09 at 9:11 pm to 40 Rouge
I think Slow Flow just like to hate just about everything and everybody to stir the pot so when he responds to every post it helps him with his 1k posts a day quota.
Just joking SFP.
Just joking SFP.
Posted on 12/14/09 at 9:13 pm to TigerMyth36
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Fantastic CGI
maybe for CGI
it did not look real at all
Posted on 12/14/09 at 9:14 pm to 40 Rouge
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since, I don't know, ancient Greece.
even the greeks recognized different stories
This post was edited on 12/14/09 at 9:15 pm
Posted on 12/14/09 at 9:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
the classic hero story is a hero story is a hero story.
Let's not over analyze. I just don't understand the blatant negativity for a movie that's not even out yet, b/c of some CGI in the trailers.
Let's not over analyze. I just don't understand the blatant negativity for a movie that's not even out yet, b/c of some CGI in the trailers.
Posted on 12/14/09 at 9:33 pm to 40 Rouge
Well Rouge, how about the fan wanks bowing at the alter of Cameron even though they have not seen the film.
I think both are a bit nuts. I didn't like the trailer and it does look like Dances With Smurfs with a side order of America's reliance on foreign energy.
If it turns out to be good, I'll have no problem admitting I was wrong. I don't hate cameron so I am not hoping it fails.
It would be nice to be completely blown away by a movie for a change.
I think both are a bit nuts. I didn't like the trailer and it does look like Dances With Smurfs with a side order of America's reliance on foreign energy.
If it turns out to be good, I'll have no problem admitting I was wrong. I don't hate cameron so I am not hoping it fails.
It would be nice to be completely blown away by a movie for a change.
This post was edited on 12/14/09 at 9:34 pm
Posted on 12/14/09 at 9:39 pm to 40 Rouge
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Let's not over analyze. I just don't understand the blatant negativity for a movie that's not even out yet, b/c of some CGI in the trailers.
It's all reactionary. I'm probably one of the people bashing the film, but it's only because people start to say that it has "an amazing story," and that it will "break records," "people will stand in lines days for tickets," and that it will break "$500 million domestic." Change movie making forever, blah blah blah.
Kind of annoying. And I have followed the film since hearing about it 10 years back. Even after Cameron lost his luster in terms of film.
The tech looks way to expensive to change film, sorry. The story...well, one word: Ferngully. The trailers: kind of a let down for a historic film.
If you start to play something up like that, it better deliver.
Posted on 12/14/09 at 9:42 pm to TigerMyth36
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Prime example, all of the prequels to Star Wars. Fantastic CGI but some of the worst dialog in the history of cinema. Even worse than this gem from Shark Attack III.
Strangely that quote doesn't work out as well in real life as it does in this movie.
Posted on 12/14/09 at 9:55 pm to Freauxzen
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It's all reactionary. I'm probably one of the people bashing the film, but it's only because people start to say that it has "an amazing story," and that it will "break records," "people will stand in lines days for tickets," and that it will break "$500 million domestic." Change movie making forever, blah blah blah.
Kind of annoying. And I have followed the film since hearing about it 10 years back. Even after Cameron lost his luster in terms of film.
The tech looks way to expensive to change film, sorry. The story...well, one word: Ferngully. The trailers: kind of a let down for a historic film.
If you start to play something up like that, it better deliver.
This.
If it was just a movie that was coming out that was selling itself as an action film, it'd be one thing.
It's this whole "will change movies FOREVER" thing that's making me roll my eyes.
Posted on 12/14/09 at 10:17 pm to Luke4LSU
One of the guys on Chud reviewed it and loved it, but he did say this:
And this:
But he finished with this:
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Avatar is not the future of storytelling or the reinvention of the wheel. It's pulp, but pulp done with the best toolbox Hollywood can offer and pulp created by someone who knows and loves pulp like very few others. It has as much in common with Edgar Rice Burroughs as it does with Dances with Wolves. It has elements of the work Frank Herbert, Hayao Miyazaki, George Lucas, David Lean, and William Wyler yet is unmistakably James Cameron.
And this:
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Its plot is the least impressive part of Avatar. It's a formula that has been tried and tested and worked but it'll never set the world on fire in terms of creativity. The plot is one of the very few areas that the cynics will find faultlines in what is a resoundingly complete experience.
But he finished with this:
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I love this movie. Is it perfect? No. Is it immersive, entertaining, and breathtaking? Yes. Is it a masterpiece? If you go by the definition above, I think it just may be.
Posted on 12/14/09 at 10:39 pm to TigerMyth36
That sounds like a pretty fair critique. This will be an entertaining movie no doubt. But for me for something to be great there has to be a great story. Just my taste.
Posted on 12/14/09 at 11:29 pm to etm512
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But for me for something to be great there has to be a great story. Just my taste.
This.
If the story isn't there, no way can this be a masterpiece.
Posted on 12/14/09 at 11:33 pm to Freauxzen
nuff saidPosted on 12/14/09 at 11:39 pm to elesshoe
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
100% original. Nothing else ever like it before.
It is the reinvention of the wheel and better than sliced bread.
Avatar will cure cancer and cause the GDP to grow by 7%.
Avatar will save us from the woes of the Healthcare debacle and also it will unite arabs and jews.
Avatar is the alpha and the omega.
Praise Cameron.
100% original. Nothing else ever like it before.
It is the reinvention of the wheel and better than sliced bread.
Avatar will cure cancer and cause the GDP to grow by 7%.
Avatar will save us from the woes of the Healthcare debacle and also it will unite arabs and jews.
Avatar is the alpha and the omega.
Praise Cameron.
This post was edited on 12/14/09 at 11:41 pm
Posted on 12/14/09 at 11:40 pm to Freauxzen
Can't wait to see this. I haven't been thinking this was going to be a masterpiece, but I do think this will be a fantastic movie experience and will be pretty groundbreaking.
On a side note the tech for movies like this should not be as expensive for other productions as Cameron had to create this style of film making for this production from the ground up. While for other productions, like Peter Jackson and Spielberg's Tin Tin, are getting the tech Cameron made to use for their movies.
On a side note the tech for movies like this should not be as expensive for other productions as Cameron had to create this style of film making for this production from the ground up. While for other productions, like Peter Jackson and Spielberg's Tin Tin, are getting the tech Cameron made to use for their movies.
This post was edited on 12/14/09 at 11:42 pm
Posted on 12/14/09 at 11:44 pm to DeathBus
It is terms like groundbreaking that make people sick of hearing about this movie.
How is an unoriginal plot groundbreaking? How is CGI groundbreaking? How is 3-D groundbreaking?
I don't care if he created new technology to make the same type of effects that have been around for years. That simply means he came up with a new way to do the same old tricks. Pretty to look at? Possibly, but not exactly groundbreaking.
And don't tell me I can't say what I said because I have not seen the film. Neither have you.
I am getting tired of all of the hyperbole used by people that have not seen the film.
In a couple of days after you have seen it then go to town. Until then, please stop with all the hogwash.
How is an unoriginal plot groundbreaking? How is CGI groundbreaking? How is 3-D groundbreaking?
I don't care if he created new technology to make the same type of effects that have been around for years. That simply means he came up with a new way to do the same old tricks. Pretty to look at? Possibly, but not exactly groundbreaking.
And don't tell me I can't say what I said because I have not seen the film. Neither have you.
I am getting tired of all of the hyperbole used by people that have not seen the film.
In a couple of days after you have seen it then go to town. Until then, please stop with all the hogwash.
This post was edited on 12/14/09 at 11:47 pm
Posted on 12/14/09 at 11:53 pm to TigerMyth36
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and breathtaking?
CGI cannot be breathtaking unless it is realistic and an addition/secondary variable to a real scene, not the entire scene
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