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re: Any other Star Trek:TOS fans hate the Abrams stuff?
Posted on 2/16/13 at 1:17 pm to auyushu
Posted on 2/16/13 at 1:17 pm to auyushu
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What the heck has he been in that you could have reached Shia levels of hatred?
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Star Trek
I really think he's the biggest reason I hate this movie, rather than merely dislike it. Although I have outlined all sorts of other points in this thread (and elsewhere), he really isn't likeable as Kirk, so it's hard for me when he's the protagonist. Like his director, I have not liked anything I have seen him in, so, for future reference, he's on my "Do Not Watch" list.
That's not the end of the world. Pitt and Dicaprio used to be on that list. I was open-minded enough to give them another chance. Pitt is still terrible as a lead (Benjamin Buttons notwithstanding), or at least as a lead where he is asked to carry the movie, but he makes a fine supporting character, especially a stoned/crazy/imaginary one. Dicaprio has grown. I still don't think he was good young, but, at least from Aviator on, he has delivered in the films I have seen, anyway.
I really don't see that potential from Pine or LaBeouf though.
This post was edited on 2/16/13 at 1:18 pm
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Posted on 2/16/13 at 1:28 pm to Ace Midnight
If you like movies like Snatch and Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels from Guy Ritchie, I'd suggest checking out Smokin Aces sometime, as it's a solid movie in that genre with a great cast. Of course if you don't like Guy Ritchie movies, you'll hate Smokin Aces, in which case ignore that movie.
Pine is a side character during parts of the Smokin Aces movie, but he does a good job and shows some decent range in his role.
I agree with you on Dicaprio, I was the same way on him. Never liked him up until the last few years. Pitt I've always liked, but movies he is the lead in are generally average or worse (with a few notable exceptions). But my first couple of introductions to Pitt were in True Romance, 12 Monkeys, and Legends of the Fall, and A River Runs through it, and he was awesome in three of those.
Pine is a side character during parts of the Smokin Aces movie, but he does a good job and shows some decent range in his role.
I agree with you on Dicaprio, I was the same way on him. Never liked him up until the last few years. Pitt I've always liked, but movies he is the lead in are generally average or worse (with a few notable exceptions). But my first couple of introductions to Pitt were in True Romance, 12 Monkeys, and Legends of the Fall, and A River Runs through it, and he was awesome in three of those.
This post was edited on 2/16/13 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 2/16/13 at 2:05 pm to auyushu
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But my first couple of introductions to Pitt were in True Romance,
Probably had no idea it was him the first time I watched it - or even who he was. In fact, when I rewatched it the first time and realized it was him - that's when I decided to give him a chance.
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Legends of the Fall
I thought he was just "meh" - without Sir Anthony, that movie is just a muddled, incomprehensible mess - I know I'm in the minority on that one.
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A River Runs through it
Not my cup of tea, but that's not Pitt's fault,
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12 Monkeys
Spacey's Usual Suspect performance deserved the Oscar, but I wish there could have been a 1a that year for Pitt's Jeffrey Goines. I lifted my "no Brad Pitt" policy to watch that film with its combination of Terry Gilliam and Bruce Willis. I was blown away and the policy was lifted.
Leo got off the list when I caught The Aviator about 10 minutes in. At that point, The Departed had just come out on video. I had heard the praise, blah, blah, blah, but I didn't give it a chance until after I was extremely impressed by his performance as Huges in Aviator.
This post was edited on 2/16/13 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 2/16/13 at 2:14 pm to Ace Midnight
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I thought he was just "meh" - without Sir Anthony, that movie is just a muddled, incomprehensible mess - I know I'm in the minority on that one.
Yeah, I that was the one of the four I thought he was average in. Hopkins was pretty great in it though. I thought that movie was decent, but nothing amazing.
But I thought Pitt was great in 12 Monkeys, True Romance, and A River Runs Through It, all of which movies I thought were fantastic. I can understand the latter movie not being to everyone's taste, but he was top notch in his role in that movie.
And I haven't seen the Aviator, but the Departed, Inception, and Django Unchained were the three that have turned me around on Leo.
I don't normally avoid movies because of actors though, I've seen too many movies I've really enjoyed in spite of certain actors. Tom Cruise is a perfect example of that for me.
This post was edited on 2/16/13 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 2/16/13 at 2:18 pm to auyushu
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Tom Cruise is a perfect example of that for me.
Honestly, I would never argue that Cruise is a great actor, but he has generally been a good judge of which scripts work for him (or the Scientology handlers have been, anyway) - his acting skills were much better when he was younger - take Taps (very underrated in my opinion), All the Right Moves (probably unwatchable without Cruise) and Risky Business. He was better in those three roles than in almost anything since, possibly excepting Magnolia and Tropic Thunder. BUT, he made a number of entertaining movies along the way.
Posted on 2/16/13 at 2:27 pm to Ace Midnight
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He was better in those three roles than in almost anything since, possibly excepting Magnolia and Tropic Thunder. BUT, he made a number of entertaining movies along the way.
Yep, exactly. I don't really like him all that much as an actor, but he picks great movies and scripts for the most part, so I watch most of his films, and have enjoyed quite a lot of them.
Posted on 2/16/13 at 2:38 pm to Ace Midnight
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But then, it just goes off the rails on a crazy train - Pike "senses" something, and ultimately puts Kirk in command? WTF? So, now he jumps from newly commissioned ensign to O-6, without spending any significant time learning the job?
I agree with this entirely.
I don't care how good he was as a temporary Captain. There is a track in any military organization and he would have to be on it that to see promotion. He certainly couldnt go from O-1 to O-6 in a matter of a few days. The only angle I can think of was Nero devastated the fleet and there were a shite ton of battle field promotions (much like World War 2 when are armed forces suddenly expanded to millions of men and suddenly you had a shite ton of very young Generals).
Beyond that though I really thought JJ did a good job with capture the spirit of the Original Trek.
Then again I was never much of a fan of anything past TNG...
Posted on 2/16/13 at 2:42 pm to asurob1
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I agree with this entirely.
I don't care how good he was as a temporary Captain. There is a track in any military organization and he would have to be on it that to see promotion. He certainly couldnt go from O-1 to O-6 in a matter of a few days. The only angle I can think of was Nero devastated the fleet and there were a shite ton of battle field promotions (much like World War 2 when are armed forces suddenly expanded to millions of men and suddenly you had a shite ton of very young Generals).
Beyond that though I really thought JJ did a good job with capture the spirit of the Original Trek.
Then again I was never much of a fan of anything past TNG...
Same here pretty much. Though I did like the extended war sections on DS9 from time to time.
I'm not really a fan of JJ outside of Fringe and this Star Trek movie, but I though he did a solid job rebooting the series, despite some silly things like the Kirk promotion and the flares.
Posted on 2/16/13 at 2:44 pm to asurob1
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I really thought JJ did a good job with capture the spirit of the Original Trek.
Rob, I have tried to be honest throughout this thread and admit this is the prevailing opinion amongst TOS fans with whom I discuss this.
I'm still asking questions. Can this team do anything like "City on the Edge of Forever"? "Amok Time"? Heck, "A Taste of Armageddon" or "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield"? Maybe that's not what modern, movie-going audiences are looking for - but it is what I expect from Star Trek.
Posted on 2/16/13 at 2:53 pm to Ace Midnight
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I'm still asking questions. Can this team do anything like "City on the Edge of Forever"? "Amok Time"? Heck, "A Taste of Armageddon" or "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield"? Maybe that's not what modern, movie-going audiences are looking for - but it is what I expect from Star Trek.
Let's be fair now, did the OS movies do anything close to those episodes either?
As much as I love The Wrath of Khan and The Undiscovered Country, the rest of the OS Star Trek movies were pretty meh and not even close to being on par with the episodes you mention either. There are way more chances for a show to have extreme highs when you have a multitude of episodes to have hits and misses.
I personally think the first OS Star Trek movie was straight up garbage, and if you had asked me if they would follow it up with Wrath of Khan at the time I would have been pretty surprised. So I'd say it's pretty hard to say what the series may bring.
I will say I have high hopes for this second reboot film, as Cumberbatch is a superb actor who should make a fantastic villain as long as the script is decent.
This post was edited on 2/16/13 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 2/16/13 at 3:22 pm to auyushu
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Let's be fair now, did the OS movies do anything close to those episodes either?
You answered that with your next statement.
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I love The Wrath of Khan and The Undiscovered Country
Was The Final Frontier bad? Sure. TWOK, TSFS and TVH work as a trilogy, and TVH, while uneven and hokey with the "Save the Whales (literally)" theme, all of the character strengths remain. The characters were all intact, even in TFF.
I tried to see the intact characters in 2009, but all I found were 1-note jokes, unrecognizable "origin of" stories and big-budget special effects. It is a very pretty film, but beyond that - not Star Trek.
Posted on 2/16/13 at 4:02 pm to Ace Midnight
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I tried to see the intact characters in 2009, but all I found were 1-note jokes, unrecognizable "origin of" stories and big-budget special effects. It is a very pretty film, but beyond that - not Star Trek.
I'm not sure it's legit to complain about "origin of" stories being "unrecognizable", given the 2009 movie wasn't a prequel to TOS. That said, if you weren't reminded of TOS and earlier movies by things like straight Spock telling Kirk how to remove gay Spock from command (all that was missing from the subsequent scene was Kirk calling Spock the dog-faced boy), or straight Spock telling gay Spock about the value of the Kirk/Spock friendship (with a Saavik/Spock-like "You lied" moment), the Kobayashi Maru sequence, Pike ending up in a wheelchair (one way or another), and so on, I don't know what to say. Even Nero was just a reimagined Khan WRT his crazed pursuit of vengeance against Spock. The very final scene, with Kirk taking command of the Enterprise after saving the universe and earning the respect of Star Fleet and most importantly, the Enterprise crew, was everything it should have been.
I was totally sold on the reboot, surprisingly so. The only thing I found really off was Scotty's pet. The primary 3 characters, Kirk, Spock, and McCoy, are off to a great start. As for the crew, Uhuru is a real standout.
Posted on 2/16/13 at 4:15 pm to Spock's Eyebrow
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straight Spock telling gay Spock about the value of the Kirk/Spock friendship
Best part of the film, no doubt. While I suggested the timing was just right, and I admit it had, by far, the 2 best actors in the film in the same scene, I felt the Straight Spock/Gay Spock scene insufficient fodder to fix the rest of the horrendous mashup of a film. I admit that the scene flirted with being Star Trek, but I think that's primarily because it had Leonard Nimoy, playing Spock in the scene. Referencing a relationship is not the same as a relationship.
Posted on 2/16/13 at 4:43 pm to Ace Midnight
WTF....? This thread is still going?!?!
Posted on 2/16/13 at 4:50 pm to BaddestAndvari
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WTF....? This thread is still going?!?!
Yes it is. Thanks, at least partially, to you, my brother.
Posted on 2/16/13 at 5:10 pm to BaddestAndvari
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WTF....? This thread is still going?!?!
I knew if it managed to stay on the 1st page long enough it would pick up steam.
Ace, you bringing up Kirk's fast track to Captain reminded that I wasn't a fan of that either. I understand why they did it but it would've been better if they maybe worked it out where he succeeded Pike as Captain in the sequel.
It's funny because a lot of those posters that were freaking out on Ace yesterday probably have their own version of this with some other films. The wave of reboots over the last decade make it more than likely.
Mine isn't even a reboot. I didn't really like any of the X-men movies except for First Class. I've read X-men since I was 11 and, to me, Singers film's were garbage. He dropped the ball on so many of the characters. Cyclops being the main victim. X2 was ok, but if I'm being honest, I just didn't like it. I get why others like 1 and 2 though.
Posted on 2/16/13 at 5:17 pm to Spock's Eyebrow
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the Kobayashi Maru sequence
Was terrible. Instead of it portraying how badly Kirk doesn't believe in no win scenarios, it was basically him acting like a punk and sticking it to Starfleet.
Posted on 2/16/13 at 5:36 pm to Murray
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Mine isn't even a reboot. I didn't really like any of the X-men movies except for First Class. I've read X-men since I was 11 and, to me, Singers film's were garbage. He dropped the ball on so many of the characters. Cyclops being the main victim. X2 was ok, but if I'm being honest, I just didn't like it. I get why others like 1 and 2 though.
I liked the first movie - I didn't love it. I overlooked some of the stuff, but the basic chemistry was there, despite there being a Wolverine towering over everybody. After that - just unrecognizable Hollywood crap - those movies are the reason I really had to do some soul searching before I went to see Avengers. While I'm glad I gave it a shot, I see it as the exception, not the rule.
Posted on 2/16/13 at 5:42 pm to ZTiger87
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Was terrible. Instead of it portraying how badly Kirk doesn't believe in no win scenarios, it was basically him acting like a punk and sticking it to Starfleet.
Could not have come at a worse possible time for me, too. I was already teetering on whether or not I could like this Kirk - it was either completely misplayed by Pine or misdirected by Abrams (or some combination), but I might has well have stopped watching the movie, right there.
Posted on 2/16/13 at 7:01 pm to Ace Midnight
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Yes it is. Thanks, at least partially, to you, my brother
You are welcome
And I see you have learned to pickup my sarcasm well
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