Any other Star Trek:TOS fans hate the Abrams stuff?

I remember someone getting upset when I mentioned that I never watched the old ST movies or TV shows, but really enjoyed the recent movie.

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I remember someone getting upset when I mentioned that I never watched the old ST movies or TV shows, but really enjoyed the recent movie.

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THAT I can completely understand. Having no connection to the original series' characters, as these bear only a superficial resemblence, I completely get that. What I don't get is this seemingly significant majority of TOS fans who not only like it, but LOVE it. I can't tell if it is peer pressure, the whole, "We're supposed to like it because it is much better done than the TNG movies" or whatever, but I recognize it was a very well made movie, but it is far more Star Wars than Star Trek, which, to be fair, Abrams said all along, as he was a fan of the former and not the latter.

I'm still waiting for a TOS fan to go beyond, "It's targeting a broader audience" which is no reason for me to like it whatsoever. I can't count the f*cks I don't give about to whom it is targeted. I have an attachment to the original series characters and the work done in that series and the excellent, excellent films done with those characters. If I'm not supposed to remember or worry about that, why the f*ck am I watching this movie?

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Can you write out your short hand so I can understand what you're talking about? Not being snarky.

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Agreed. Am probably dense, but cannot decipher TOS either. Sorry.

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The Original Series?

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Yeah, I can't see at all why they didn't include the character development that we've come to expect from the tv shows...

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The relationships don't appear to be intact. Everything has been thrown out in favor of inexplicable action sequences. I understand the limitations of the film medium.

Khan, Search for Spock, The Voyage Home and Undiscovered Country all seemed to stay loyal to the characters, and tell a great story. Even the weaker TOS films, TMP and TFF (even Generations) maintained that connection with the characters and the work that had already been done.

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The Original Series?

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It appears to be. And I agree with you - the Abrams movie is new, but it is very good and entertaining. And I was around and loving Star Trek when TOS was not re-runs.

And for those who aren't sure, let's remember - the character development took decades of the crew being together. They weren't immediately the Kirk and Spock and Bones, et al of TOS fame. Like real people, those relationships and characteristics developed over time. This is like the prequel.

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In the immortal words of the Shat

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If the filmmakers do not care about why I was a fan in the first place, why am I supposed to like the movie?

Because it's new? F*cking Transformers is new.

I understand what he was trying to do. Most remakes/reboots, just phone it in. I agree that was not done in this case. However, after watching the Avengers, I would have much preferred to have seen Whedon's take (himself a Star Trek fan, clear from the work in Firefly/Serenity), rather than Abrams, as I have not enjoyed any of his other work.

I admitted I'm in the minority, I said I did not want to be converted. I was tossing this out to see if anyone else felt the same way. I guess this is just a disagreement with no resolution.

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Even the weaker TOS films, TMP and TFF (even Generations) maintained that connection with the characters and the work that had already been done.

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Why is that necessary? The Abrams universe (literally) is different than the one created and used in the other movies and shows. I understand your love for characters past - I wanted to vomit at what they did to Deadpool in X-Men Origins - but taken alone, the Abrams movie was pretty damn good. You and I have debated this before, but why are you so against being different? Are you a gay hater, too?

But no seriously, I think you're being reactionary and are unable to move past your love for characters that are barely even base models for the movie. That and your hate for Chris Pine. And explosions (apparently).

ETA: all of which is understandable.

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Why is that necessary?

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If they're not going to respect what came before, again, I'm serious, why am I watching it then? If it is just in "the key" of Star Trek, or "flavored" with Star Trek, but it throws everything that made me enjoy Star Trek away, why do I even care?

I know which episode of TOS is coming on, within 10 sec of the cold open. I thought TNG was sacrilege when it started. But in the end as I've gotten older, I don't really care, it's a TV show and JJ's new Trek, entertained the hell out of me and that's what counts.