re: A Dance With Dragons - Official Post-release SPOILER Thread

GRRM.

Could possibly be my favorite of the series so far but if jon is actually dead ill be a mad motherfricker

I would like it actually if mel brought him back, it would just reinforce him being AA reborn

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Yeah, it does get a bit confused there, but she was found by a dothraki scout at the very end. Who knows what will happen next...

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She might be able to get the other Dothraki to follower her now. With Unsullied infantry, Dothraki cavalry, and three dragons, she would have a kick arse army.

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Really? I thought it was great

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It was a good book. But compared to the first three, I was also very dissapointed. It's a 1000 page travel log. All the major reveals were done early. After that Jon was the next huge moment. He has taken Arya's chapter's from edge of your seat to when will this be over with. My interest in Tyrion's POV's was carried until the Young Griff reveal, after that they went to shite. Bran and Davos started to get really interesting early, then GRRM completely forgot about them. Theon/Reek's chapter were very good IMO. A look into the eyes of Ramsay and Roose Bolton's levels of insanity, dealing with the Manderly's and rest of the northmen. Other than his, I wasn't impressed with any one else's. Selmy was pretty cool due to history lessons, but nothing I would put on GoT, SoS, CoK levels.

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Does anyone else think that dany had a miscarriage in her last chapter? It sounded like it to me

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I thought it was a sign of her being able to have children again. But if that prophecy comes true, Drogo would come back. (Which would be freakin awesome)

It makes me very excited for the next two, however many years they will take to finish not so much.
Jon is definitely going to be reborn as AA. The bleeding star, salt and smoke prophecy.

"When the red star bleeds and the darkness gathers, Azor Ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt to wake dragons out of stone.”

Wun Wun beating the ever living shite out of Ser Patrek's mangled body against the wall while his shield is still strapped to his arm. (His shield is the five pointed star)darkness gathering could be the Others or the night watch descending on Jon. Bowen Marsh's tears = salt , and his wound is said to be smoking. Added with his likely parentage, Rhaegar and Lyanna, I now think he is the main focus of the story. From them he is Ice (Stark) and Fire (Targaryen) On top of that he is AA reborn and IMO, Dany is Nissa Nissa. Can't wait to see them meet up.

I just wish he wouldn't be killing my interest in Tyrion, Arya, and Dany. They are all off on their own too much and there was too much filler involved with their POV's. In the first three books, all of Tyrion's POV's might have been two chapters. It seems like 4 and 5 were simply filler to get to 5 & 6. A couple of nice reveals, but no major battles or truly moving the story forward.

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and Wun Wun beating the ever living shite out of Ser Patrek's mangled body against the wall while his shield is still strapped to his arm. (His shield is the five pointed star)

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Not sure how many on here know that this was the result of of a lost football bet on Martin's part.

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As most of you know, I won a football bet with George a while back. I lost our first two bets, sure, but that's got nothing to do with it! :P Anyway, my winning meant that he would base a character on me and then butcher him in a violent and bloody fashion. That was my only demand. I wanted a memorable death. Enter Ser Patrek of King's Mountain (a Montréal reference, since we met at Worldcon in 2009). You may notice that the heraldry of Ser Patrek's House is pretty similar to the colors of the Dallas Cowboys. That's no coincidence. I was expecting George to create a very minor character based on me and then kill him off on the following page. But it was very nice of him to make me a knight of Queen Selyse's entourage, to make me appear in a few chapters so I could make an arse of myself, and to kill me (yes, quite violently!) in what is probably the most spoiler-filled chapter of the novel! It's the ultimate fanboy moment, to be immortalized in such a way. You'll see. It's a good death!

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Knowing this makes it hilarious that he was torn apart by a Giant.

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Knowing this makes it hilarious that he was torn apart by a Giant.

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Had no idea about that

Makes me enjoy that part even more and realize why I always hated Ser Patrek. He's an f'ing cowfig! Everything comes full circle.

I agree on Jon coming back as Azor (which also proves the Jon = L + R theory).

As far as the overall book, I thought it was a good book. I'd rank it a close fourth behind ACOK (With GOT and SoS 1st and 2nd). Definetly out performed Crows.

As to individual characters, I was a huge fan of Davos' chapters. I wish GRRM would have had a chapter or two with him on Skagos looking for Rickon.

Manderly has also become one of my favorite characters with the Frey Pies and scheming to bring Rickon back.

Arya poisoning the coin to kill the crooked insurance man was great reading. Many don't like her chapters, but I enjoy them.

The big let down to me was no Baelish/Sansa.

Davos has been one of my favorite POVs I thought he died at the end of Clash of Kings but I did not think he was killed at White Harbor.

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That was the one good moment for me involving her POV's. I just think he needs to reconnect her soon. She's spent too much time away and is becoming irrelevant to every other happening in the book.

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She kept Needle and still says the names of the people she wants dead, so I think she will come back soon.

Arya will be back, i see no reason for him to keep writing her if she was going to stay detached