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re: 2001 A Space Odyssey

Posted on 5/19/23 at 4:04 pm to
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 5/19/23 at 4:04 pm to
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Kubrick's not the kind of guy to come out and tell you exactly what his movies are about

It was to Japanese media decades later.

We weren't supposed to know.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 5/19/23 at 4:10 pm to
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I don’t understand the ending


Spoilers:




The aliens evolved Bowman (as they had evolved the apes into using tools). The star child (baby) at the end is Bowman at a super-evolved level, contemplating Earth.

Kubrick caught shite for explaining the ending in interviews, but Clarke had mapped it all out in the novel.
Posted by StrongOffer
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Posted on 5/19/23 at 4:39 pm to
I still don't quite understand the ending. I guess it was left to our interpretation.

Edit: Should have read thread before posting.
This post was edited on 5/19/23 at 4:41 pm
Posted by 88Wildcat
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Posted on 5/19/23 at 7:01 pm to
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There are many interpretations.


Not if you have read the book.
Posted by 88Wildcat
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Posted on 5/19/23 at 7:04 pm to
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Evidently, it was a cult film for people extremely high on drugs.
And it was a cult film for art fans who pretend to "get it".


A cult film that was nominated for Best Picture. Looking back it is ridiculous it lost to Oliver! When was the last time anyone made a thread about Oliver!
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 5/19/23 at 7:27 pm to
Have you seen the types of films that sometimes get nominated for best picture?

Some of them are Jim dandies..

I can appreciate the special effects for that Era. The cinematography, effects, and lighting are enough for oscars in visual effects, director, and production design.

Screenplay? Best picture?? Lol. No thanks.
Posted by Jack Ruby
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Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:27 pm to
Without 2001 and Kubrick, NASA cant use front projection screen technology for the moon landing photos.
Posted by pevetohead
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Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:31 pm to
It's not that difficult to understand whats going on in the movie that you have to say people pretend to get it. I'll break it down.

1. Monkeys on planet, vulnerable to predators like big cats.

2. Aliens send monolith down to earth. Monolith = tool by aliens to ADVANCE the species. Monkeys touch monolith. Monkeys then start to develop skills like hunting, using tools etc.

3. Fast forward to centuries later - 2001 - and those monkeys generation after generation would evolve into the human beings that have created the modern world and space travel.

4. Human beings discover monolith on the moon. It starts fricking everything up, a top secret mission is established.

5. Top secret mission ends with main character finding another monolith floating in space. Crosses over into another dimension that defys time and space. His life passes before his eyes. Just as he dies the monolith appears again to ADVANCE him to the next stage of evolution - the star baby.


TLDR:


Monkey - Human - Starbaby. EVOLUTION.

The movie is about the advancement of the species by way of extraterrestrial intervention. The monolith is a tool from the aliens to create intelligent life. Just as HAL and AI are tools created by humans that is intelligent life (see how they mirror one another? Aliens create humans, humans create artificial intelligence.) It's the circle of life.


And if anybody doubts me both Kubrick & Arthur C. Clarke has confirmed as much
This post was edited on 5/19/23 at 10:46 pm
Posted by 88Wildcat
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Posted on 5/19/23 at 10:18 pm to
The weird hotel suite thing Bowman is in at the end is really just an intergalatic womb.
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 5/19/23 at 10:21 pm to
Lol

I don't doubt you.

But when the movie released, many art critics had different interpretations of what the visualizations meant.

I hate to break it to you. It isn't a good story. It is a special effects movie. A very advanced one for when it was released.
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 5/19/23 at 10:21 pm to
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The weird hotel suite thing Bowman is in at the end is really just an intergalatic womb.

I think it is a zoo.
Posted by USMCguy121
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Posted on 5/19/23 at 11:41 pm to
Classic. That said kinda boring. The sequel movie is infinitely more watchable.
Posted by A Menace to Sobriety
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Posted on 5/20/23 at 10:42 am to
Best movie soundtrack of all time.
Posted by CU_Tigers4life
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Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 5/20/23 at 10:45 am to
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Classic. That said kinda boring. The sequel movie is infinitely more watchable.



2010 is a very underappreciated film. It was really well done.


As for 2001, it's one of the greatest films ever made...it's mind bending and certainly not for the "Turner and Hooch" crowd.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 5/20/23 at 10:56 am to
It's one of those movies people pretend to like so that they appear more profound and insightful. Also, if it wasn't directed by Kubrick but, instead ,by Joe Schmo it wouldn't get near the acclaim it does.
Posted by CU_Tigers4life
Georgia
Member since Aug 2013
9402 posts
Posted on 5/20/23 at 10:59 am to
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It's one of those movies people pretend to like so that they appear more profound and insightful. Also, if it wasn't directed by Kubrick but, instead ,by Joe Schmo it wouldn't get near the acclaim it does.


It wouldn't have been the same film if Joe Schmo directed it..But it's not worth arguing over. It's definitely an acquired taste.

I will say that watching 2010 first might help understanding 2001..
Posted by Flyingtiger82
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Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 5/20/23 at 11:21 am to
I kinda get the whole monkey monolith human monolith star child thing. Kinda.

But what the hell does that have to do with an AI Computer, or Hal9000 killing everyone on board? That just either WAS the whole point of the movie OR filler till they got to the monolith on outer space.

IMO 2010 was a much better film that actually explained it all. Leave Europa alone.
Posted by CU_Tigers4life
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Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 5/20/23 at 11:27 am to
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But what the hell does that have to do with an AI Computer, or Hal9000 killing everyone on board? That just either WAS the whole point of the movie OR filler till they got to the monolith on outer space.


You had a couple of stories going on...

The Monolith is ancient and is used to nudged the evolution of humanity.

The Hal 9000 going nuts was due to faulty Government tampering trying to coverup as much as they can about the monolith any when they reprogrammed HAL to cover things up it became corrupted and carry out it's new programming in the way it interpreted, This was clarified in 2010.
This post was edited on 5/20/23 at 11:28 am
Posted by Brosef Stalin
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 5/20/23 at 12:09 pm to
First of all, it's unfair to say you have to see 2010 to understand 2001. The 2001 movie and book were written at the same time and Kubrick had full creative control of both. Clarke was more or less a writer for hire with Kubrick using his expertise to punch up the sci fi elements. The sequel books are all Clarke.

The point of HAL was to show how man's use of technology had evolved. We go from the monkeys not using tools to encountering the monolith and learning to use bones as a simple hammer. Transition that to the Future where man has advanced to the point of having space ships and sentient AI, the ultimate evolution of tools to the point where they are starting to surpass men.

The monoliths have been placed at points where men would find them when they're ready to evolve. After the moon monolith we have the showdown between man and AI. As man overcomes AI we find the final monolith on Jupiter and man evolves into his final form the Starchild.
Posted by Rza32
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Posted on 5/20/23 at 12:37 pm to
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