re: Wtf is up with the hate for Ray Ray on this board?

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On the other side of it, why cant I use the same logic for thinking someone is guilty when they were found innocent. Both cases the government can be wrong, which was my point

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The government said the person did it in both cases. If they're convicted, 12 ordinary citizens agreed. If they're acquitted, 12 ordinary citizens disagreed.

If someone who did it beats the rap, the government was right and the jury was wrong. Juries aren't the government--they're citizens holding the government accountable.

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They hate him because he's so over-the-top emotional and religious. Same reason people hate Tebow.

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Don't hurt yourself beating up the strawman.

People hate Tebow because he is a bad back up QB that is shoved down their throats. In case you missed it, several ESPN on air personalities have come out and said they were told to mention Tebow for ratings. If it wasn't for Tebow's religion, he wouldn't have the fan base he does.
People hate Lewis because of the murder case. Kurt Warner is just as religious as those guys and people do not hate him.

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That isn't my point though. A shitty person in life is a shitty person, OJ is just that. Ray Lewis has come along way from the person he use to be, there is a sense of redemption, if you will.

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For murder?

So if Ray Lewis comes out and says he did it, youd be completely comfortable saying hes a good guy?

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His main theme, best word i can think of for it, was that the government has been wrong before and its very possible they are wrong in that accusation of a crime

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No that is not my main theme, you are just looking for something to pounce on. Nothing is 100% either way, and it never implied that it was.

There are people that think anyone accused of a crime is guilty. When it is someone famous, it gets more headlines. My point is we should not assume some one that is charged with or somehow involved with a crime is guilty because, sometimes the government is wrong, though often people will just believe them, regardless.

I like Ray Lewis. He is an intense man who loves the Lord. I don't know if he helped someone cover up a murder or not. The guy believes in his team and he plays with a passion. I am going to miss #52 .

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Don't hurt yourself beating up the strawman. People hate Tebow because he is a bad back up QB that is shoved down their throats. In case you missed it, several ESPN on air personalities have come out and said they were told to mention Tebow for ratings. If it wasn't for Tebow's religion, he wouldn't have the fan base he does. People hate Lewis because of the murder case. Kurt Warner is just as religious as those guys and people do not hate him.

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That wasn't a straw-man at all.

Secondly, being a bad back-up QB has nothing to do with it. There are a lot of bad back-up QB's out there.

Like I said... it isn't because Tebow is religious. It's because he is over-the-top religious. Just like Ray Lewis.

People don't like these over-the-top characters who constantly preach about religion. They see it as "fake" and they hate them for it. And then people on TV praise these people and it makes them hate them even more.

It has nothing to do with Tebow's football skills and it has nothing to do with Ray Lewis' murder case. Those are simply other things thrown out there to strengthen and fuel the hate.

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re: Wtf is up with the hate for Ray Ray on this board? (Posted on 1/20/13 at 9:41 p.m. to HandGrenade) I think they just really believe he was involved with killing someone and helped cover it up. People always love to hate on the highly successful. Especially ones who acknowledge God in all they do. I have no problem with him being the vocal leader he is. "The contact that takes place when our defense is on the field is very sincere."

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You do realize that his white suit had blood all over it that the suit has never been found. The only reason he got off is because Atlanta had the most idiotic DA in the country. Howard I think? He botched the case from the start.

just saying Ray's "fakeness">>>>Tebow's "fakeness" unless I've missed Ray doing a bunch of circumcision's on mission trips

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That wasn't a straw-man at all.

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claiming people hate Tebow because of his religion is most certainly a strawman.

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Secondly, being a bad back-up QB has nothing to do with it. There are a lot of bad back-up QB's out there.

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right, and how many of them get mentioned on Sportscenter on a regular basis? I mean TJ Yates won a playoff game last year, when is the last time he was mentioned on ESPN? Ever hear ESPN radio ask "If you team needed a QB would you want TJ Yates?" Cause I heard that that topic thrown out there about Tebow.

Now, me I hate Tebow because of that faggy jump pass he did against LSU, but it has nothing to do with his religion.

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It has nothing to do with Tebow's football skills and it has nothing to do with Ray Lewis' murder case

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This is just wrong. People hate Tebow because he is shoved down their throats. They hate Lewis because of the murder case.

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Again i dont see how you dont see that the same thing can be applied to a person being declared innocent and the people not believing they are actually that.

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I really don't see how that is relevant to this discussion. Of course the opposite can be true, some one can be acquitted or not charged. That's not what happened here. People call Ray Lewis a murderer, even though he was never accused of that crime, let alone convinced of it. Quite clearly they call him that because he was arrested and as has been mentioned he testified and the guys actually charged with murder were acquitted.