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re: World Series of Poker- 2010
Posted on 7/22/10 at 2:02 am to PokerChamp21
Posted on 7/22/10 at 2:02 am to PokerChamp21
thats true the KK raised my bad.
This post was edited on 7/22/10 at 2:03 am
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Posted on 7/22/10 at 6:30 am to PokerChamp21
This a common problem for some players....you over think your opponent....just because you would be thinking all those things doesn't mean they are....try to think like your opponent on the level they think on. He might have had KK and never have folded it.
Posted on 7/22/10 at 7:52 am to darbour21
quote:
This a common problem for some players....you over think your opponent....just because you would be thinking all those things doesn't mean they are....try to think like your opponent on the level they think on. He might have had KK and never have folded it.
There is a "test" that I read that I thought was very good and it gets at exactly what you are saying, giving your opponent too much credit. Here are the two situations, but they are supposed to be asked at separate times so you dont compare the two questions and will answer them independantly. Since they are both posted here together, do your best to answer them independantly :)
You are dealt J, 10 of spades.
Preflop: Fold to you; you bet $1, small blind folds, big blind calls $1
Flop: 9h, 8s, 5s
Big Blind checks, you bet $2, Big blind calls $2
Turn: 2d
BB bets out $5, you call $5
River: 3h
BB checks, you make a pot-sized bet of $16
Question:
How often, in your mind, will your opponent call your bluff:
a Less than 25%
b Between 25% and 50%
c Between 50% and 75%
d More than 75%
Question 2 next post...
Posted on 7/22/10 at 7:55 am to Htown Tiger
You are dealt 6 of hearts, 7 of spades.
Preflop: Fold to you; you bet $1, small blind folds, big blind calls $1
Flop: 9h, 8s, 5s
Big Blind checks, you bet $2, Big blind calls $2
Turn: 2d
BB bets out $5, you call $5
River: 3h
BB checks, you make a pot-sized bet of $16
Question:
How often, in your mind, will your opponent call your bet:
a Less than 25%
b Between 25% and 50%
c Between 50% and 75%
d More than 75%
There really is no right or wrong answer with which value you pick, but they key is, both answers should be exactly the same. Everything about the hands is exactly the same, except your two starting cards. But what does your opponent know about your two starting cards? Nothing. This "test" was done in two parts on some poker blog, each question was posted to the public about a month apart. The results were that most people said their opponent would call much more often when they were bluffing, and would fold when they had the nuts. You're giving your opponent credit they dont deserve.
Preflop: Fold to you; you bet $1, small blind folds, big blind calls $1
Flop: 9h, 8s, 5s
Big Blind checks, you bet $2, Big blind calls $2
Turn: 2d
BB bets out $5, you call $5
River: 3h
BB checks, you make a pot-sized bet of $16
Question:
How often, in your mind, will your opponent call your bet:
a Less than 25%
b Between 25% and 50%
c Between 50% and 75%
d More than 75%
There really is no right or wrong answer with which value you pick, but they key is, both answers should be exactly the same. Everything about the hands is exactly the same, except your two starting cards. But what does your opponent know about your two starting cards? Nothing. This "test" was done in two parts on some poker blog, each question was posted to the public about a month apart. The results were that most people said their opponent would call much more often when they were bluffing, and would fold when they had the nuts. You're giving your opponent credit they dont deserve.
Posted on 7/22/10 at 9:28 am to Htown Tiger
Look at you guys dropping poker knowledge in this bitch...... game on gentlemen
Posted on 7/23/10 at 11:52 am to PokerChamp21
quote:
he min raised the button 10-8 would have been a call from the bb for sure and most likely the small blind too
If you are calling with T8 in the bb "for sure" then you will "for sure" lose every cent to your name.
As for the hand. You left out some of the most important information such as the blinds and the preflop action. I can put the pieces together and assume that blinds were 75-150 and the button made it 300 pre? If thats correct:
Calling pre seems to be ok as is folding pre. I hate 3betting here this early so your options are flatting or folding both of which i think are fine. Flop comes Ten high and sb checks. I am 100% of the time leading this flop. Pot is 900 then I would make it around 475-600ish. My intentions after leading would be to fold to any resistance. Even a min raise from the button is a fold. You just dont want to be playing a pot with hand like this out of position this early. Had you lead, obv with KK the button wouldve raised and the small blind would still probably have spazzed out and then you can comfortably fold. As played, when the button bets pot and the small blind ships, you have to snap fold. Remove trying to force people to fold overpairs from your game. Plenty of easy spots will present themselves rathar than making such a high variance play as this.
This post was edited on 7/23/10 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 7/23/10 at 2:27 pm to smoke225
Lol. Next time you're in town call me. I've got a juicy 5-10-15 game that runs twice a week by me.Once a month they make it a 5k min buy in and its nothing but retarded old businessmen.
Posted on 7/23/10 at 4:35 pm to TEXASTIGER22
Im coming down there tomorrow fwiw, but i dont know how much card playin imma get done.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 12:47 am to smoke225
November Nine Odds..
Will Jonathan Duhamel win the Main Event?
Yes +232
No -268
Will John Dolan win the Main Event?
Yes +361
No -433
Will Joseph Cheong win the Main Event?
Yes +807
No -1164
Will John Racener win the Main Event?
Yes +837
No -1243
Will Matthew Jarvis win the Main Event?
Yes +1063
No -1800
Will Filippo Candio win the Main Event?
Yes +1063
No -1800
Michael Mizrachi win the Main Event?
Yes +793
No -1150
Will Cuong Nguyen win the Main Event?
Yes +1600
No -4000
Will Jason Senti win the Main Event?
Yes +2000
No -5000
The 2010 WSOP Main Event officially has it’s final table and, as has been the case since 2008, it will be played out in November with the remaining players dubbed the November Nine.
The massive field of 7,319 players made for the second largest in WSOP history and generated a prize pool of $68,798,600 with $8,944,138 set aside for the last poker player standing. Coming into Day 8 the field had been ground down to a mere 27 players. From there it was reduced to a the final November Nine.
Here’s a breakdown of the November Nine with their respective chip counts and listed in order of their odds in the Sportsbook for winning the 2010 WSOP Main Event.
Jonathan Duhamel +210
Duhamel is a 22-year-old poker pro from Quebec, Canada. As the player coming into this with a sizeable chip lead at 65,975,000 he is the odds on favorite to win. The fact that he has already cashed twice at this year’s WSOP in NL Holdem events proves that he has what it takes to play at this level.
Duhamel counts himself among the many sharp young poker pros who gave up college (finance major) for a lucrative career as a poker pro. He learned the game of poker by playing with his friends and like so many of his fellow Canadians, he enjoys playing hockey.
With five WSOP bracelets already on the wrists of Canadians this year, Duhamel, along with fellow Canadian Matthew Jarvis, it could very well become six for the year.
John Dolan +300
Dolan, a 24-year-old poker pro, is also heavily favored to win partly because he has a solid chip stack (46,250,000) and partly because he seems to be on a bit of a heater with six total WSOP cashes, three of which came this year including a sixth place finish in the $1,000 NL Holdem Event #36 for $82,804.
Michael Mizrachi +550
Thirty-one-year-old Mizrachi might not have the third most chips with 14,450,000 but there are plenty of good reasons why he has the third best odds to win the WSOP Main Event. He’s easily the most recognizable poker pro in the November Nine with 23 WSOP cashes, millions in tournament winnings and assuredly plenty more from cash game winnings. Dubbed “The Grinder”, Mizrachi’s patient calculating style has earned him such honors as 2006 Cardplayer of the Year, 18 titles and combined tournament winnings of $7.2 million.
Mizrachi’s performance has been nothing less than spectacular this year with four 2010 WSOP cashes prior to the Main Event, one of which was in the highly competitive Poker Players Championship which he won, a victory worth $1,559,046.
All eyes will be on The Grinder this November as he’s expected to put on a clinic for the ESPN cameras.
Joseph Cheong +700
Cheong, originally from Seoul, Korea, now resides in La Mirada, California. He has two WSOP cashes from this year and is sitting with an impressive 23,525,000 in chips. He boasts poker-perfect education with a B.S. in Psychology and a joint B.A. in Mathematics and Economics from UCSD. No stranger to taking down a final table, Cheong won a WSOP Circuit event earlier this year.
John Racener +700
Tied with Cheong for his November Nine betting odds, Racener sits with a slightly smaller stack of 19,050,000. This 24-year-old poker pro from Port Ricjet, Florida has had enormous success on the WSOP circuit with over $500,000 in tournament winnings. He has cashed three times at the 2010 WSOP and is on target to achieve his ultimate poker ambition of winning the WSOP Main Event. Interestingly, his favorite player is the man sitting two seats to his right at the Final Table, Michael Mizrachi.
Matthew Jarvis +900
Primarily an online poker player, 25-year-old Jarvis hails from Surrey, BC, Canada where he attends Business school. He has no prior WSOP cashes and currently sits with 16,700,000 in chips.
Filippo Candio +1000
As the only European among the November Nine, 26-year-old Candio calls Cagliari, Sardinia, Italy his home. With 16,400,000 in chips Candio might not be well known in North America with only one small WSOP cash but he’s highly regarded in his home country where he’s ranked #1 on the tournament money list.
Cuong Nguyen +1600
At 37, Nguyen is the old man of the 2010 November Nine. This resident of Santa Ana, California is the least experienced of the November Nine with this being only the fourth live tournament he’s ever played in and him being the only person who is not a poker pro. Nguyen is in medical supplies sales and comes to the Final Table with 9,650,000.
Jason Sentl +2000
As the long shot of the November Nine, Sentl is also the shortstack with 7,625,000 in chips. This 25-year-old poker pro from Grand Forks, Minnesota is a poker pro and a member of the rock band, “Suburban Hero.”
Will Jonathan Duhamel win the Main Event?
Yes +232
No -268
Will John Dolan win the Main Event?
Yes +361
No -433
Will Joseph Cheong win the Main Event?
Yes +807
No -1164
Will John Racener win the Main Event?
Yes +837
No -1243
Will Matthew Jarvis win the Main Event?
Yes +1063
No -1800
Will Filippo Candio win the Main Event?
Yes +1063
No -1800
Michael Mizrachi win the Main Event?
Yes +793
No -1150
Will Cuong Nguyen win the Main Event?
Yes +1600
No -4000
Will Jason Senti win the Main Event?
Yes +2000
No -5000
The 2010 WSOP Main Event officially has it’s final table and, as has been the case since 2008, it will be played out in November with the remaining players dubbed the November Nine.
The massive field of 7,319 players made for the second largest in WSOP history and generated a prize pool of $68,798,600 with $8,944,138 set aside for the last poker player standing. Coming into Day 8 the field had been ground down to a mere 27 players. From there it was reduced to a the final November Nine.
Here’s a breakdown of the November Nine with their respective chip counts and listed in order of their odds in the Sportsbook for winning the 2010 WSOP Main Event.
Jonathan Duhamel +210
Duhamel is a 22-year-old poker pro from Quebec, Canada. As the player coming into this with a sizeable chip lead at 65,975,000 he is the odds on favorite to win. The fact that he has already cashed twice at this year’s WSOP in NL Holdem events proves that he has what it takes to play at this level.
Duhamel counts himself among the many sharp young poker pros who gave up college (finance major) for a lucrative career as a poker pro. He learned the game of poker by playing with his friends and like so many of his fellow Canadians, he enjoys playing hockey.
With five WSOP bracelets already on the wrists of Canadians this year, Duhamel, along with fellow Canadian Matthew Jarvis, it could very well become six for the year.
John Dolan +300
Dolan, a 24-year-old poker pro, is also heavily favored to win partly because he has a solid chip stack (46,250,000) and partly because he seems to be on a bit of a heater with six total WSOP cashes, three of which came this year including a sixth place finish in the $1,000 NL Holdem Event #36 for $82,804.
Michael Mizrachi +550
Thirty-one-year-old Mizrachi might not have the third most chips with 14,450,000 but there are plenty of good reasons why he has the third best odds to win the WSOP Main Event. He’s easily the most recognizable poker pro in the November Nine with 23 WSOP cashes, millions in tournament winnings and assuredly plenty more from cash game winnings. Dubbed “The Grinder”, Mizrachi’s patient calculating style has earned him such honors as 2006 Cardplayer of the Year, 18 titles and combined tournament winnings of $7.2 million.
Mizrachi’s performance has been nothing less than spectacular this year with four 2010 WSOP cashes prior to the Main Event, one of which was in the highly competitive Poker Players Championship which he won, a victory worth $1,559,046.
All eyes will be on The Grinder this November as he’s expected to put on a clinic for the ESPN cameras.
Joseph Cheong +700
Cheong, originally from Seoul, Korea, now resides in La Mirada, California. He has two WSOP cashes from this year and is sitting with an impressive 23,525,000 in chips. He boasts poker-perfect education with a B.S. in Psychology and a joint B.A. in Mathematics and Economics from UCSD. No stranger to taking down a final table, Cheong won a WSOP Circuit event earlier this year.
John Racener +700
Tied with Cheong for his November Nine betting odds, Racener sits with a slightly smaller stack of 19,050,000. This 24-year-old poker pro from Port Ricjet, Florida has had enormous success on the WSOP circuit with over $500,000 in tournament winnings. He has cashed three times at the 2010 WSOP and is on target to achieve his ultimate poker ambition of winning the WSOP Main Event. Interestingly, his favorite player is the man sitting two seats to his right at the Final Table, Michael Mizrachi.
Matthew Jarvis +900
Primarily an online poker player, 25-year-old Jarvis hails from Surrey, BC, Canada where he attends Business school. He has no prior WSOP cashes and currently sits with 16,700,000 in chips.
Filippo Candio +1000
As the only European among the November Nine, 26-year-old Candio calls Cagliari, Sardinia, Italy his home. With 16,400,000 in chips Candio might not be well known in North America with only one small WSOP cash but he’s highly regarded in his home country where he’s ranked #1 on the tournament money list.
Cuong Nguyen +1600
At 37, Nguyen is the old man of the 2010 November Nine. This resident of Santa Ana, California is the least experienced of the November Nine with this being only the fourth live tournament he’s ever played in and him being the only person who is not a poker pro. Nguyen is in medical supplies sales and comes to the Final Table with 9,650,000.
Jason Sentl +2000
As the long shot of the November Nine, Sentl is also the shortstack with 7,625,000 in chips. This 25-year-old poker pro from Grand Forks, Minnesota is a poker pro and a member of the rock band, “Suburban Hero.”
This post was edited on 7/24/10 at 12:50 am
Posted on 7/24/10 at 10:59 am to TheRoarRestoredInBR
I picked Cada last year. This year im torn between Racener and Dolan.. hmm
Posted on 7/24/10 at 11:03 am to smoke225
what you doin tonight?
Posted on 7/27/10 at 9:09 pm to TEXASTIGER22
Alright, I was hoping that one of you more experienced guys would see a new post in here and stop by. Tomorrow I am going to play in my first live tourney at a small casino for $35. I have been playin decent online so I figured I would give it a shot. My first question, besides not giving away tells is what should I expect to do differently in a live cash tourney then online. Also, can I bring a backpack in? The last thing is should I go in there with shades on and headphones and act like I know what im doing or what? I guess I am just a little anxious and am looking to get some info.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 9:20 pm to PokerChamp21
quote:and he played arguably the worst of all at the FT.
I picked Cada last year
I think it'll be either of those two fwiw.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 11:45 pm to Acreboy
Players Championship is on 
Posted on 7/28/10 at 12:04 am to Acreboy
I just watched it on Tivo. The Grinder had a couple of big swings of ships at the final table. Oppenheim was the best player at that table in my opinion.
Posted on 7/28/10 at 12:49 am to TigerLicks
quote:easily.
Oppenheim was the best player at that table in my opinion.
Posted on 7/28/10 at 12:59 am to Acreboy
quote:
easily.
His pocket 8's loss even makes it worse. He looks over at The Grinder like "you called that shite?"
Posted on 7/28/10 at 1:04 am to TigerLicks
quote:that was the best "good call" ive ever seen
His pocket 8's loss even makes it worse. He looks over at The Grinder like "you called that shite?"
Posted on 7/28/10 at 1:10 am to Acreboy
quote:
that was the best "good call" ive ever seen
Grinder has balls, but Oppenheim is a money making machine at the cash tables from what I've seen. He couldn't believe he called with that against his pair...and hits the river. I get the feling Oppenheim would've robbed the entire tournament field in cash tables. Oppenheim should play more shoot outs.
Posted on 7/28/10 at 1:21 am to TigerLicks
quote:literally the Chip Reese of our time.
Oppenheim should play more shoot outs.
and damn Grinder just lucky with that A7
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