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re: Will Luke Heimlich get drafted?
Posted on 5/9/18 at 11:29 am to TH03
Posted on 5/9/18 at 11:29 am to TH03
quote:Please explain?
You can say that all you want, but your posts in this thread and in the last one we had about him say otherwise
Because I have laid out why I now think it is possible he is innocent, it means I 100% think he is innocent? I guess I can be like tallygator and want to cut of his left hand
I just simply am not pitchforked like I was before. Go back to the original threads. I was an embrassment
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Posted on 5/9/18 at 11:33 am to lsupride87
quote:
The mother could have a motive considering she did not have custody of the child and could want it back
Posted on 5/9/18 at 11:34 am to lsupride87
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Because I have laid out why I now think it is possible he is innocent, it means I 100% think he is innocent?
When that's the only stuff you post? Yeah.
You've completely switched to defending him as innocent. Everytime someone mentions the plea, you say "well he wasn't going to beat the charge and he's maintained his innocence ever since." Someone says the 6 year old said he did this to her and you say "kids can be coached up by their parents." You've flipped to constantly undermining the reasons people think he's guilty and propping up the reasons he might not be.
It's fine that you read that article you posted in the last thread and think he's innocent now, but don't act like you're being impartial.
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I just simply am not pitchforked like I was before
But you are. You just don't see that it's on the other side now.
This post was edited on 5/9/18 at 11:35 am
Posted on 5/9/18 at 11:35 am to shel311
quote:
shel311
I mean what do you think reading everything? We seem to usually be similar minded on things like this
On one half of my brain I cant get out the fact that he pleaded guilty, on the other half I think he had no shot in hell to win the case and some of the other details point to possible innocence (lie detector, counselor etc)
Posted on 5/9/18 at 11:37 am to TH03
quote:Well, my first post in here was this
When that's the only stuff you post? Yeah.
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I will say there is more to the story than simply reported at first.
People then asked me to explain what the more info was
So I did. Nobody asked or needed to me explain the original story against Heimlich.........
I get it, you still have a pitchfork in hand and are mad I even presented the newer info that came out
Posted on 5/9/18 at 11:38 am to lsupride87
quote:I have no idea either way. If you're truly 50/50, you're in the same boat, but with more details than I know.
I mean what do you think reading everything? We seem to usually be similar minded on things like this
1 thing that I always come back to in spots like this is...a 6 year old is going to be talked to by law enforcement. I find it very hard to believe they wouldn't be able to get the truth out of that kid, essentially getting the kid to cop to his mother talking him into doing it. But I don't know the details of how that works. Maybe the kid has a lawyer in the room that just shuts it down any time it's going that route, no clue. But it still seems like that would come out from a 6 year old in a case like this.
Posted on 5/9/18 at 11:39 am to shel311
quote:True. Thats a good point. Anyone have a clue how this works?
I find it very hard to believe they wouldn't be able to get the truth out of that kid, essentially getting the kid to cop to his mother talking him into doing it. But I don't know the details of how that works. Maybe the kid has a lawyer in the room that just shuts it down any time it's going that route, no clue.
Posted on 5/9/18 at 11:40 am to lsupride87
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Case for him being guilty
Eventhough it was a plea, and I get how hard it is to beat these cases, he still pleaded guilty to molesting a 4 year old. That sticks with me
Also a 6 year old said he molested her
Case for him being innocent
He maintained his innocence through counseling.
He passed a lie detector test
The mother could have a motive considering she did not have custody of the child and could want it back
Lukes brother, although a strained relationship with Luke, still has a great relationship with the parents and comes around family events with his daughter
Just coincidence the "case for him being innocent" is longer.
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I get it, you still have a pitchfork in hand and are mad I even presented the newer info that came out
I honestly don't care either way. I'm just showing you that you aren't playing the middle man like you keep saying. You've kept the pitchfork in hand just turned around and went against the mob you used to be in.
Posted on 5/9/18 at 11:41 am to TH03
quote:Yes
Just coincidence the "case for him being innocent" is longer.
What more is there for him being guilty besides the word of the little girl, and his guilty plea? I will galdly list if there is any physical evidence or anything else you would like me to add
This post was edited on 5/9/18 at 11:42 am
Posted on 5/9/18 at 11:49 am to lsupride87
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True. Thats a good point. Anyone have a clue how this works?
I don't know how Heimlich's niece was interviewed, but in Alabama, such interviews are usually one on one, with the interviewer trained to spot things like coaching.
Posted on 5/9/18 at 11:51 am to Master of Sinanju
quote:If true, I find it almost impossible to believe the kid couldn't be cracked. But I guess I'd leave a tad wiggle room to say "it could happen"
I don't know how Heimlich's niece was interviewed, but in Alabama, such interviews are usually one on one, with the interviewer trained to spot things like coaching.
Posted on 5/9/18 at 11:53 am to lsupride87
Well you conveniently left out that the polygraph couldn't include questions about the niece.
And all the stuff about him maintaining his innocence now and only writing that apology letter because he had to aren't really facts. They're statements from the family members trying to defend him. Of course they would say those things.
If you were truly playing the middle man here, you'd be skeptical on both sides, not just regurgitating what the family said in that article trying to defend their son.
And all the stuff about him maintaining his innocence now and only writing that apology letter because he had to aren't really facts. They're statements from the family members trying to defend him. Of course they would say those things.
If you were truly playing the middle man here, you'd be skeptical on both sides, not just regurgitating what the family said in that article trying to defend their son.
Posted on 5/9/18 at 11:58 am to TH03
quote:Ok, you want details about the polygraph test?
Well you conveniently left out that the polygraph couldn't include questions about the niece
Here you go
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In May 2012, Luke's sexual history was obtained via clinical interview and a sexual history polygraph conducted by Rick Minnich, chief examiner of Minnich Polygraph Services of Burien, Washington. Minnich was prohibited from asking any question directly related to Luke's niece. From the report: "It was the opinion of Mr. Minnich that Luke was truthful when he answered 'no' to the following questions: 'Not to include (the niece), have you engaged in sexual conduct with any member of your family?' And, 'Not to include (the niece), have you engaged in sexual contact with anyone else more than two years younger than you?'" Polygraph tests often are used to determine the veracity of suspects or witnesses, and to monitor criminal offenders on probation. Luke and his parents would have welcomed the opportunity for a polygraph asking questions directly related to his niece, but their attorney said polygraph results are inadmissible in Washington court, and he advised against asking Luke specific questions.
When I read that, was the question "have you engaged in sexual conduct with any member of your family?"
or was he specifically asked this
"Not to include your niece have you engaged in sexual conduct with any member of your family?"
I read it as the examiner asked question 1, he was just specifically told not to mention the niece specifically.
Someone else can chime in if they have better expereicne with this
Posted on 5/9/18 at 11:59 am to TH03
quote:I am
If you were truly playing the middle man here, you'd be skeptical on both sides
quote:Well, I was specifically asked to do this man
not just regurgitating what the family said in that article trying to defend their son.
Posted on 5/9/18 at 12:00 pm to hendersonshands
The more I've read about it, the more I think now that he's innocent.
Posted on 5/9/18 at 12:00 pm to hendersonshands
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1 molestation conviction
I believe the record was expunged.
Posted on 5/9/18 at 12:01 pm to Korin
quote:th03 bout to go in dry
The more I've read about it, the more I think now that he's innocent.
Posted on 5/9/18 at 12:02 pm to lsupride87
quote:I'm withholding judgment until I know how he refers to the alleged victim's female parent.
th03 bout to go in dry
Posted on 5/9/18 at 12:02 pm to shel311
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I'm withholding judgment until I know how he refers to the alleged victim's female parent.
Posted on 5/9/18 at 12:02 pm to shel311
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I'm withholding judgment until I know how he refers to the alleged victim's female parent.
Luke's mom's ex daughter in law.
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