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re: Will Ken Griffey Jr. get into the hall?
Posted on 1/20/14 at 6:23 pm to goldennugget
Posted on 1/20/14 at 6:23 pm to goldennugget
The frick is this
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Posted on 1/20/14 at 6:30 pm to The White Lobster
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there 15 or so people who I would take over him as hitters alone from the 90s and 00s
Please post your 15 non-pitchers from the 90s and 00s that where better than Griffey
Posted on 1/20/14 at 6:34 pm to The White Lobster
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but we need to pump the brakes on greatest of all time talk.
Top ten for sure....
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He was pretty overrated as a defender
What?????
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, and there 15 or so people who I would take over him as hitters alone from the 90s and 00s
Like who??? Bonds????
Posted on 1/20/14 at 6:37 pm to 1ranter1
without taking into account defense or baserunning...
bonds
mcgwire
pujols
frank thomas
manny
bagwell
edgar
thome
berkman
a-rod
chipper
larry walker
giambi
piazza
ortiz
vlad
delgado
could make arguments for others, especially miguel cabrera
bonds
mcgwire
pujols
frank thomas
manny
bagwell
edgar
thome
berkman
a-rod
chipper
larry walker
giambi
piazza
ortiz
vlad
delgado
could make arguments for others, especially miguel cabrera
Posted on 1/20/14 at 6:38 pm to The White Lobster
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bonds
mcgwire
pujols
frank thomas
manny
bagwell
edgar
thome
berkman
a-rod
chipper
larry walker
giambi
piazza
ortiz
vlad
delgado
Especially at Berkman, Giambi, Big Mac, and Delgado
This post was edited on 1/20/14 at 6:40 pm
Posted on 1/20/14 at 6:39 pm to dukke v
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Top ten for sure....
not even close
quote:
What?????
he made flashy plays but was a below average defender statistically
quote:
Like who??? Bonds????
of course, by far the best player and hitter in the 90s
Posted on 1/20/14 at 6:40 pm to Sevendust912
all of them have higher a wRC+, wOBA, and OBP, and most have a higher slugging percentage
Posted on 1/20/14 at 6:44 pm to The White Lobster
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bonds mcgwire pujols frank thomas manny bagwell edgar thome berkman a-rod chipper larry walker giambi piazza ortiz vlad delgado
What a dope.Posted on 1/20/14 at 6:44 pm to The White Lobster
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Like who??? Bonds???? of course, by far the best player and hitter in the 90s
You are so wrong here..........
Posted on 1/20/14 at 6:45 pm to dukke v
do you have stats or something to prove me wrong?
Posted on 1/20/14 at 6:49 pm to The White Lobster
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Top ten for sure.... not even close
Ruth
Cobb
Gehrig
Mays
Aaron
Ted Williams
DiMaggio
Stan Musial
Griffey jr.
Bonds
Posted on 1/20/14 at 6:58 pm to dukke v
your list with their ranking according to fangraphs WAR
Ruth 1st
Cobb 4th
Gehrig 12th
Mays 3rd
Aaron 6th
Ted Williams 8th
DiMaggio 33rd
Stan Musial 10th
Griffey jr. 41st
Bonds 2nd
Ruth 1st
Cobb 4th
Gehrig 12th
Mays 3rd
Aaron 6th
Ted Williams 8th
DiMaggio 33rd
Stan Musial 10th
Griffey jr. 41st
Bonds 2nd
Posted on 1/20/14 at 7:01 pm to The White Lobster
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your list with their ranking according to fangraphs WAR
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You can take your WAR shite and shove it....
Posted on 1/20/14 at 7:04 pm to The White Lobster
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without taking into account defense or baserunning...
Why in the world would you not take this into account?
Pretty much everyone on that list was a terrible fielder or juiced out of their mind.
Griffey's average stats get hurt a lot because he got so much PT when he was young and after all his injuries late in his career. He has 1000s more plate appearances than a lot of those guys.
His career WAR is 34th all time (baseball reference). Behind only Bonds, ARod, Chipper, and Pujols (not counting guys like Ricky Henderson who played in the 90s but were at their best in the 80s) from the 90s/00s.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 7:07 pm to goldennugget
Slam dunk
Posted on 1/20/14 at 7:07 pm to 1ranter1
i'm not saying they were better players...just better hitters
griffey of course gets a lot of credit for being a competent center fielder. i was just separating that out in my original statement
griffey of course gets a lot of credit for being a competent center fielder. i was just separating that out in my original statement
Posted on 1/20/14 at 7:11 pm to dukke v
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You can take your WAR shite and shove it...
I was thinking the same thing. He can use whatever sabermetrics he wants, Lance fricking Berkman was not a better hitter then Griffey Jr.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 7:13 pm to Sevendust912
if you say so
Posted on 1/20/14 at 7:15 pm to dukke v
Bonds is the best player of all time.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 7:16 pm to The White Lobster
quote:
frank thomas
manny
bagwell
edgar
thome
berkman
a-rod
chipper
larry walker
giambi
piazza
ortiz
vlad
delgado
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