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re: Will Ken Griffey Jr. get into the hall?
Posted on 1/20/14 at 3:26 pm to TheCaterpillar
Posted on 1/20/14 at 3:26 pm to TheCaterpillar
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He was a stud from day 1. He wasn't linked with juicers because his production didn't show up overnight along with enlarged traps and biceps. Dude was slim, athletic, and killin it at age 18.
He was a 20 hr a year guy in the minors and his first four seasons in the majors. Then he goes on an eight year stretch of 40+ hrs a year. He follows that stretch up with a long list of chronic injuries that are very common amongst PED users. But hey, he didn't get noticeably bigger so he couldn't have been on anything
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Posted on 1/20/14 at 3:29 pm to ZTiger87
quote:Wow
ZTiger87
Posted on 1/20/14 at 3:30 pm to goldennugget
c'mon bro.
No one is denying the Kid
No one is denying the Kid
Posted on 1/20/14 at 3:30 pm to goldennugget
Why does the OP or amyone else presume that he didn't juice?
Posted on 1/20/14 at 3:33 pm to beaver
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Goldennugget has one of these once a week
People that start threads as stupid as his should be banned. It would be like if I just started a thread saying, "Will LeBron make the NBA Hall of Fame?" STUPID!
Posted on 1/20/14 at 3:47 pm to goldennugget
With the prettiest and most fluid swing ever, Griffey is a 1st ballot HOFer.
He never really got big or exploded with huge numbers out of nowhere like many from his generation. I've always believed that he and Chipper, two of my favorites, never juiced.
Had he not had the bad luck with injuries in Cincy, he likely breaks the HR record and goes down as the GOAT. For my money, he was the best to ever play the game.
He never really got big or exploded with huge numbers out of nowhere like many from his generation. I've always believed that he and Chipper, two of my favorites, never juiced.
Had he not had the bad luck with injuries in Cincy, he likely breaks the HR record and goes down as the GOAT. For my money, he was the best to ever play the game.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 4:05 pm to Starchild
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or exploded with huge numbers out of nowhere like many from his generation
WTF do you call going from 20 hrs a year to almost 50 a year? Because if that isn't an explosion, than I don't know what is.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 4:08 pm to ZTiger87
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WTF do you call going from 20 hrs a year to almost 50 a year? Because if that isn't an explosion, than I don't know what is.
Uh, it's fairly common for players to enter a physical prime at some point....doing so in your mid to late 20s is fairly normal, not sure why you're trying to tie that to steroid use
Posted on 1/20/14 at 4:19 pm to ZTiger87
So a 19 year old slowly and steadily improves in strength and technique as his career goes along and peaks around the time a normal player would peak? Add this to his gorgeous swing and slender frame, and I would like to assume he didn't use PEDs. Injuries happen to players that earn 10 Gold Gloves in centerfield. That takes a nasty toll on the body.
Here is his age + Average ABs per 1 HR
19 y/o 28.4375
20 -27.13636364
21 -24.90909091
22 -20.92592593
23 -12.93333333
24 -10.825
26 -15.29411765
27 -12.40816327
28 -11.30357143
29 -10.82142857
30 -10.83333333
31 -9.1
32 -8.954545455
33 -20.75 (got injured and was never the same)
34 -23.07692308
35 -24.55
36 -12.22857143
Here is his age + Average ABs per 1 HR
19 y/o 28.4375
20 -27.13636364
21 -24.90909091
22 -20.92592593
23 -12.93333333
24 -10.825
26 -15.29411765
27 -12.40816327
28 -11.30357143
29 -10.82142857
30 -10.83333333
31 -9.1
32 -8.954545455
33 -20.75 (got injured and was never the same)
34 -23.07692308
35 -24.55
36 -12.22857143
Posted on 1/20/14 at 4:21 pm to LL012697
There are many reasons his numbers got better and one is not steroids. He came up at 19 years old. Back then it was natural for an athlete to mature into his body in their mid 20s. They started building smaller ball parks. The balls started being made to fly further and so on. His injuries came from playing too hard not from steriods. Steriods have nothing to do with breaking ur wrist crashing into the wall, hurting ur shoulder by diving for a line drive, tearing ur hamstring by stepping on the bag wrong rounding 3rd base. His knee injury happened from having to compensate for his hamstring. First ballot HOFer
Posted on 1/20/14 at 4:22 pm to TheCaterpillar
His biggest jump was from 27 to 45 and he played in 14 more games in the year he hit 45. (hit more doubles and triples the year he hit 27 as well)
He only played in 72 games as a 25 year old, but his HR/AB was still very good. (72 games/17 HRs)
This jump from 20 to 50 isn't real. You're absolutely full of shite.
He only played in 72 games as a 25 year old, but his HR/AB was still very good. (72 games/17 HRs)
This jump from 20 to 50 isn't real. You're absolutely full of shite.
This post was edited on 1/20/14 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 1/20/14 at 4:27 pm to ZTiger87
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WTF do you call going from 20 hrs a year to almost 50 a year? Because if that isn't an explosion, than I don't know what is.
Absolutely fabricated by you. It never happened unless you count the year he only hit 17 because he missed 2/3rds of the season from injury sustained colliding with a wall in centerfield. That year was sandwiched between years in which he hit 40 and 49.
The year he hit 27, he had more doubles and triples in 14 less games than the next year when he hit 45 HRs playing in 14 more games.
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You're fricking wrong and its hilarious.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 4:29 pm to goldennugget
I sure frickin hope so. He was my favorite ball player growing up. Dude was insanely athletic.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 4:32 pm to ZTiger87
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WTF do you call going from 20 hrs a year to almost 50 a year? Because if that isn't an explosion, than I don't know what is.
Nice padding there, but he didn't improve by 30. He went from 27 to 45...at the age of 23. The year he improved from 17 to 49 he played in twice as many games. So you're accusing him of taking steroids without a shred of proof just because the other big names used at the time?
Sorry, I'm not that cynical and I'll give a man who was a joy to watch and did it the right way the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.
His numbers did increase...as he got better and hit his prime. Then decreased as he came out and injuries piled up. That's not really that shocking
This post was edited on 1/20/14 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 1/20/14 at 4:38 pm to goldennugget
Posted on 1/20/14 at 5:00 pm to BCMCubs
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First ballot
Yep. The sweetest swing in the history of the game belongs no where else. Rather than a bust of his head he should get one of his HR pose.
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With the prettiest and most fluid swing ever, Griffey is a 1st ballot HOFer.
He never really got big or exploded with huge numbers out of nowhere like many from his generation. I've always believed that he and Chipper, two of my favorites, never juiced.
Had he not had the bad luck with injuries in Cincy, he likely breaks the HR record and goes down as the GOAT. For my money, he was the best to ever play the game.
All of this. It's extremely likely The Kid would have finished as the greatest to ever play if he hadn't had injury issues.
This post was edited on 1/20/14 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 1/20/14 at 5:15 pm to RB10
If he juiced, he wasn't very good at it, considering the time he spent on the DL.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 5:36 pm to goldennugget
Posted on 1/20/14 at 5:58 pm to goldennugget
Who's Ken Griffey?
Posted on 1/20/14 at 6:20 pm to Dr RC
Griffey was very good, no doubt, but we need to pump the brakes on greatest of all time talk.
He was pretty overrated as a defender, and there 15 or so people who I would take over him as hitters alone from the 90s and 00s
He was pretty overrated as a defender, and there 15 or so people who I would take over him as hitters alone from the 90s and 00s
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