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Posted on 4/5/10 at 10:54 pm to shel311
Seems so odd. I'm looking forward to hearing Coach K's explanation, after all he's not Les Miles...He knows what he's doing, which makes it all the more strange.
Posted on 4/5/10 at 10:56 pm to fouldeliverer
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Seems so odd. I'm looking forward to hearing Coach K's explanation,
You really dont know what he is going to say? Really?
Well if he makes we foul and leave 1.8 seconds on the clock for them to inbound it at half time and get a chance at a close 3. With this, there is no way they get past half court. Ill take my chances at a half court shot.
K thanks bye.
Posted on 4/5/10 at 10:57 pm to KCBasketball
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You really dont know what he is going to say? Really?
Well if he makes we foul and leave 1.8 seconds on the clock for them to inbound it at half time and get a chance at a close 3. With this, there is no way they get past half court. Ill take my chances at a half court shot.
K thanks bye.
i would reply with,"are you drunk?"
Posted on 4/5/10 at 11:08 pm to Deactived
They should make the free throw and at the very worst, go to overtime. They gave Butler a chance to beat them in regulation.
Just try to make the free throw. You might miss the free throw anyway. But I'd rather be up by 3 with 3.5 seconds left and let them inbound it with my defense at halfcourt, than be up by 2 and they have a chance for a fluke shot to win.
If you are up by only 1 at that point, then you miss the free throw on purpose, because there is no different that 1 or 2 points on a halfcourt heave.
Just try to make the free throw. You might miss the free throw anyway. But I'd rather be up by 3 with 3.5 seconds left and let them inbound it with my defense at halfcourt, than be up by 2 and they have a chance for a fluke shot to win.
If you are up by only 1 at that point, then you miss the free throw on purpose, because there is no different that 1 or 2 points on a halfcourt heave.
Posted on 4/5/10 at 11:10 pm to KCBasketball
quote:I hope you are drunk and not simply incredibly stupid.
Well if he makes we foul and leave 1.8 seconds on the clock for them to inbound it at half time and get a chance at a close 3. With this, there is no way they get past half court. Ill take my chances at a half court shot
Posted on 4/5/10 at 11:11 pm to Choupique19
quote:Obviously that didn't work out, because Butler was given a clean look at winning the game.
then the other team has no chance.
Posted on 4/5/10 at 11:12 pm to Deactived
The correct thing to do in that situation is make the free throw to go up by 3, then foul.
Posted on 4/5/10 at 11:13 pm to shel311
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just rewatched and he DEFINITELY missed on purpose.
Generally there is a scramble for the ball, which gives the other team even less time to get a decent shot off.
With 3 seconds left, it wasn't an awful strategy.
This post was edited on 4/5/10 at 11:14 pm
Posted on 4/6/10 at 6:13 am to BrockLanders
It was a bad decision by Coach K, but like he said in his press conference, "What the hell, it worked."
Posted on 4/6/10 at 6:48 am to SprintFun
What's more likely to succeed: a half courrt (or farther) heave or a long pass to get a layup off of essentially a set piece? I agree with Coach K that the latter is more likely to succeed, thus missing the free throw was the correct decision. Don't have the numbers in front of me but a 2pt shot is usually converted at a higher rate than a half court heave.
Posted on 4/6/10 at 7:26 am to Sophandros
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What's more likely to succeed: a half courrt (or farther) heave or a long pass to get a layup off of essentially a set piece?
Well that was not the situation. If Zoubek makes the 2nd free throw, then Duke goes up 3 and a layup will do Butler no good.
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I agree with Coach K that the latter is more likely to succeed, thus missing the free throw was the correct decision.
The latter was never an option. So no, missing the free throw was not the right decision.
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Don't have the numbers in front of me but a 2pt shot is usually converted at a higher rate than a half court heave.
Correct, but once again, irrelevent.
Posted on 4/6/10 at 7:42 am to Bullethead88
My bad. Replace 2 pt shot with 3 pointer out of a set play. The odds are still in Coach K's favor to miss the free throw on purpose because you can rebound it yourself (they had dominated the boards that night), which eliminates the long heave, have time run out prior to a long heave, or have them take a very low % shot. You make it, and you give them a chance at a higher % shot on their terms. % wise, it was the correct decision.
Posted on 4/6/10 at 7:48 am to Sophandros
Kid could have missed the rim? Yikes!
Posted on 4/6/10 at 7:50 am to Sophandros
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The odds are still in Coach K's favor to miss the free throw on purpose because you can rebound it yourself (they had dominated the boards that night),
The rebound margin was like +2 for Duke. They in no way, shape, or form dominated the battle of the boards.
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You make it, and you give them a chance at a higher % shot on their terms. % wise, it was the correct decision.
But you have to factor in the fact that the long heave (which was about a 45 footer) is for the win, not the tie. Plus, if you make the shot, Zoubek can guard the inbound with his 7'1'' frame. And usually teams don't get that great of a shot off in that situation anyway. Duke would have kept them in front and Butler would have probably gotten about a 35 foot contested shot for the tie AT BEST. More likely, Duke would have fouled and Butler would have never even gotten the chance to take a game-tying shot.
It was not the correct decision.
Also, Butler had no timeouts left. So I don't know where you get the idea that they were going to get a shot on their own terms off of a "set piece." Odds are they would have gotten basically the exact same type of shot except it would be for the tie and not the win.
This post was edited on 4/6/10 at 7:57 am
Posted on 4/6/10 at 7:57 am to Sophandros
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The odds are still in Coach K's favor to miss the free throw on purpose because you can rebound it yourself (they had dominated the boards that night),
They only had one Duke player lined up for a rebound. They weren't trying to rebound the shot. Also, they wouldn't risk fouling on the rebound when only up 2 points.
Posted on 4/6/10 at 8:05 am to Choupique19
Again: Which has a better chance of going in, a half court heave amid chaos, or a shot that your team has worked on for that sort of end game situation?
You give them the opportunity to have almost 4 seconds to make a play vs. approx. 1-2 seconds, you greatly increase your chances of winning.
A 60 foot shot has a smaller chance of going in than a 25-30 foot shot does, which makes the decision the correct one, percentage wise.
You give them the opportunity to have almost 4 seconds to make a play vs. approx. 1-2 seconds, you greatly increase your chances of winning.
A 60 foot shot has a smaller chance of going in than a 25-30 foot shot does, which makes the decision the correct one, percentage wise.
Posted on 4/6/10 at 8:06 am to Sophandros
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My bad. Replace 2 pt shot with 3 pointer out of a set play. The odds are still in Coach K's favor to miss the free throw on purpose because you can rebound it yourself (they had dominated the boards that night), which eliminates the long heave, have time run out prior to a long heave, or have them take a very low % shot. You make it, and you give them a chance at a higher % shot on their terms. % wise, it was the correct decision.
i would say its only slightly higher. and you're leaving out the part that one scenario beats you and the other only ties you.
eta: not to mention if you want them to try for the rebound you seriously risk fouling them on the rebounding opportunity.
This post was edited on 4/6/10 at 8:08 am
Posted on 4/6/10 at 8:08 am to Sophandros
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What's more likely to succeed: a half courrt (or farther) heave or a long pass to get a layup off of essentially a set piece? I agree with Coach K that the latter is more likely to succeed, thus missing the free throw was the correct decision. Don't have the numbers in front of me but a 2pt shot is usually converted at a higher rate than a half court heave.
For the record, If Zoubek makes the Free throw Butler has to go for 3. Other then that, I agree
Posted on 4/6/10 at 8:09 am to bbap
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eta: not to mention if you want them to try for the rebound you seriously risk fouling them on the rebounding opportunity.
Didn't they only have Zoubek over there?
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