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re: Why isn't Donte Stallworth getting treated like Mike Vick?
Posted on 4/1/09 at 9:00 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
Posted on 4/1/09 at 9:00 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
Hey buckeye -
Yes Vick's actions were intentional and frequent, but there was nothing wrong with his actions at all.
You say that Stallworth's actions were accidental- when you get behind the wheel drunk you are knowinly showing no regard to your life, or the life of others and there is nothing accidental about that- it is selfish and intentional
You also say that many people have driven drunk - that is correct but it doesn't make it right- those who have driven drunk or do drive drunk will end up 6 feet under at a very young age or locked up for a long time because of commiting murder. Is drinking alcohol worth these consequences - I think not.
Yes Vick's actions were intentional and frequent, but there was nothing wrong with his actions at all.
You say that Stallworth's actions were accidental- when you get behind the wheel drunk you are knowinly showing no regard to your life, or the life of others and there is nothing accidental about that- it is selfish and intentional
You also say that many people have driven drunk - that is correct but it doesn't make it right- those who have driven drunk or do drive drunk will end up 6 feet under at a very young age or locked up for a long time because of commiting murder. Is drinking alcohol worth these consequences - I think not.
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Posted on 4/1/09 at 9:20 pm to H-Town Tiger
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I'm sorry, I didn't realize Vick and co were grilling these dogs after they fought to the death.
are you saying that would have made it less heinous? After the slaughtering, I'm sure none of the animals give too much of a shite what happens to them afterwards.
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BTW, despite the outrage, Vick spent, what, a year and change in jail?
And? I doubt Donte spends anymore than that anyway. Regardless, I'm fine with whatever punishment either one of them get/have gotten. What I'm not fine with, is people on here actually trying to suggest that killing dogs is worse than killing a human. That does not compute. I don't give a good goddamn about intent.
Posted on 4/1/09 at 9:39 pm to ALL DAY
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Yes Vick's actions were intentional and frequent, but there was nothing wrong with his actions at all.
How was there nothing wrong with what he did?
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You say that Stallworth's actions were accidental- when you get behind the wheel drunk you are knowinly showing no regard to your life, or the life of others and there is nothing accidental about that- it is selfish and intentional
Driving drunk is intentional, but him killing the man wasn't. Obviously, you should know the consequences and what could happen if you do that, but that doesn't mean he tried to kill him.
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You also say that many people have driven drunk - that is correct but it doesn't make it right- those who have driven drunk or do drive drunk will end up 6 feet under at a very young age or locked up for a long time because of commiting murder. Is drinking alcohol worth these consequences - I think not.
I agree 100% with you, but the original question isn't about whether it's right or wrong, it's why is/was Vick receiving more scrutiny in the public eye, and part of that, I believe, is that more people in the public have driven drunk before. Therefore, they'll be less likely to call a person out for that.
Posted on 4/1/09 at 9:40 pm to ALL DAY
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Yes Vick's actions were intentional and frequent, but there was nothing wrong with his actions at all.
I am glad this guy isnt arguing on my side.
Posted on 4/1/09 at 9:47 pm to NOBODY
buckeye, I do agree with you that the public probley doesn't give Stallworth a hard time because much of the public has done the same thing.
And I know that he didn't get behind the wheel with the intent to kill someone; however, when you make the decision to drink you should recognize that because you are impaired, you could potentially kill someone. Why is it so hard to call a freakin cab or have a DD? Instead, Stallworth was selfish and reckless and knowinly stepped into a bullet and shot that bullet into an innocent person.
And I know that he didn't get behind the wheel with the intent to kill someone; however, when you make the decision to drink you should recognize that because you are impaired, you could potentially kill someone. Why is it so hard to call a freakin cab or have a DD? Instead, Stallworth was selfish and reckless and knowinly stepped into a bullet and shot that bullet into an innocent person.
Posted on 4/1/09 at 9:48 pm to el tigre
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accident vs. intent and years of actions, plus lying about the incidents.
+1
Posted on 4/1/09 at 9:51 pm to ALL DAY
NOBODY - I would not personally make the decision to kill my dog or any other dog, BUT if one decides to do such a thing, I don't see any harm in it. Sure it is cruel, but it can't be compared to other crimes such as DUI, etc. If I wanted to go outside and hang my dog from a tree, I would do it. A dog is a dog - all it is is a freakin animal.
Posted on 4/1/09 at 9:56 pm to ALL DAY
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all it is is a freakin animal.
You know humans are animals too fwiw....so running over a human= running over a dog.
Posted on 4/1/09 at 9:57 pm to ALL DAY
HEY SMACK- You say that what Stallworth did was an accident. First off, when you make the decision to drink alcohol and then put yourself behind the wheel, there is no such thing as an accident. Stallworth killed an innocent person beacause he was too selfish and dumb to call a cab or get a DD. When a person gets behind the wheel impaired they are asking for a chance to kill a person or themselves. If you do not wish to do this, then just don't make the stupid decision of drinking and driving.
You also say that Stallworth's incident was a one time thing while Vick's went on for years intentionally- what is your point? So what if he murdered dogs for years intentionally. I don't care if he killed dogs everyday for 10 years - they are freaking animals and it doesn't matter.
You also say that Stallworth's incident was a one time thing while Vick's went on for years intentionally- what is your point? So what if he murdered dogs for years intentionally. I don't care if he killed dogs everyday for 10 years - they are freaking animals and it doesn't matter.
Posted on 4/1/09 at 9:58 pm to Hot Carl
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It's because they're stupid, that's the only reason. Anybody outraged by what Vick did who eats, beef, venison, pork, or chicken is a fricking hypocrite. Period. I am in this group btw, but at least I am well aware of my hypocrisy.
+1.
Pigs are considered GREAT pets in many areas of the world INCLUDING America. Cows are capable of affection towards humans. When we visit a friend's farm in Mississippi the cows come RUNNING when the hear the cars pull up. They are happy to see the owners.
I am amazed that PETA blindly hates on the tiny, insignificant MICRO issue of Mike Vick killing 40 dogs instead of taking this opportunity to preach the MACRO issue which is that every day millions of animals in America are slaughtered, bred, housed, and caged inhumanely.
This post was edited on 4/1/09 at 10:03 pm
Posted on 4/1/09 at 10:01 pm to ALL DAY
FIGHTNG TIGER - Darwin or whoever the heck else might claim that "humans are animals" but that is straight up bs.
Animals don't have free will like humans do, they don't have souls like humans do, they don't go to heaven or hell and they don't answer for their actions on Judgement Day like humans do. We were created with a purpose by the Creator.
So no, we are not animals, we are people.
Animals don't have free will like humans do, they don't have souls like humans do, they don't go to heaven or hell and they don't answer for their actions on Judgement Day like humans do. We were created with a purpose by the Creator.
So no, we are not animals, we are people.
Posted on 4/1/09 at 10:02 pm to ALL DAY
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Animals don't have free will like humans do, they don't have souls like humans do, they don't go to heaven or hell and they don't answer for their actions on Judgement Day like humans do. We were created with a purpose by the Creator.
Even though I do believe in God and so on...I don't think this is exactly this best argument.
Posted on 4/1/09 at 10:02 pm to ALL DAY
ALL DAY - Do NOT address me directly.
Posted on 4/1/09 at 10:04 pm to ALL DAY
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Animals don't have free will like humans do, they don't have souls like humans do, they don't go to heaven or hell and they don't answer for their actions on Judgement Day like humans do. We were created with a purpose by the Creator.
Jesus Christ. You're more ignorant than the animals. At least when a dog dies he doesn't expect anything. When you die you're going to be waiting for the goddamn pearly gates and all you'll get is nothing. Blackness.
Posted on 4/1/09 at 10:10 pm to AlejandroInHouston
ALEX- It is sad to here that you say this, but I know that when I die, I will be met by my Lord and Savior at the gates of Heaven and it is my hope that you will also.
Posted on 4/1/09 at 10:20 pm to ALL DAY
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ALEX- It is sad to here that you say this, but I know that when I die, I will be met by my Lord and Savior at the gates of Heaven and it is my hope that you will also.
Hahaha.
Posted on 4/1/09 at 10:35 pm to Hot Carl
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are you saying that would have made it less heinous
No, I'm saying there is a huge difference between hunters, people that eat meat and people that torture animals for amusement. It is not hypocritical to oppose dog fighting or other forms of animal abuse and eating meat.
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I'm fine with whatever punishment either one of them get/have gotten. What I'm not fine with, is people on here actually trying to suggest that killing dogs is worse than killing a human. That does not compute. I don't give a good goddamn about intent.
So you'd say a kid torturing and killing all the neighborhood cats would be better than someone in the neighborhood killing a guy that broke into his house? Intent makes all the difference.
In general all rational people would agree killing a person is much worse, but circumstances do matter. If you hit an kill a person while sober, you will face possible legal trouble. Hit a kill a dog, you can drive off, no one cares.
The Vick case got more press because it was shocking and unusual and involved a superstar player. Sadly people are killed in car accidents daily. If the poor guy that was killed by Stallworth had been killed by some schmoe, it doesn't make the news.
Posted on 4/1/09 at 10:38 pm to ALL DAY
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those who have driven drunk or do drive drunk will end up 6 feet under at a very young age or locked up for a long time because of commiting murder.
This is a load of shite and sadly makes kids cynical about the real danger of drinking and driving.
Drunk driving is bad, but most people that drive drunk never even get a ticket, let alone kill themselves or someone else, not need for ridiculous over statement to discourage it.
Posted on 4/1/09 at 10:39 pm to H-Town Tiger
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So you'd say a kid torturing and killing all the neighborhood cats would be better than someone in the neighborhood killing a guy that broke into his house? Intent makes all the difference.
You seem to have gotten me here.
Posted on 4/1/09 at 10:46 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:damn right, if he's my kid and he's sellin them to asian vendors, I want my cut.
So you'd say a kid torturing and killing all the neighborhood cats would be better than someone in the neighborhood killing a guy that broke into his house? Intent makes all the difference.
This post was edited on 4/1/09 at 10:47 pm
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