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re: Who actually likes “travel ball”
Posted on 5/19/23 at 10:37 am to lsu777
Posted on 5/19/23 at 10:37 am to lsu777
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i said his group has been putting out the same recommendations for 3 decades...yet surgeries aka his money making....has went up
They go up because of idiots like you that think they know more than respected doctors on the subject. Overuse and not enough rest time between outings are what are causing the higher ucl injuries. That and not having the 90 day break in the year to heal. But keep finding stats to reinforce your beliefs.
But the people trying to sell you books and instruction videos aren't trying to make money either?
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Posted on 5/19/23 at 10:39 am to lsu777
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btw you fail to adress the whole parent post above i quoted. you assured me none of that stuff matters...yet have a parent talking about a tryout this week that his rec kid didnt make it.
If only Tony Robichaux could see what that area of the state/ country has become he would not be happy about it. All this stuff you are pushing I have heard from his mouth he has said is what is wrong with baseball today.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 10:41 am to FlyTheW08
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They go up because of idiots like you that think they know more than respected doctors on the subject. Overuse and not enough rest time between outings are what are causing the higher ucl injuries. That and not having the 90 day break in the year to heal. But keep finding stats to reinforce your beliefs.
and you know this how? then explain why most ucl injuries happen in spring training and the equivelant for lower levels?
sure its overuse and not being underprepared for the demands?
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But the people trying to sell you books and instruction videos aren't trying to make money either?
lol yea since they arent putting out tons of free info.
but yea doctors can never be wrong right? we have really learned that over last 3 years.....never question a doctor or the government right?
btw see you ignored the other part about the parent posting again.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 10:49 am to FlyTheW08
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If only Tony Robichaux could see what that area of the state/ country has become he would not be happy about it. All this stuff you are pushing I have heard from his mouth he has said is what is wrong with baseball today.
yea that is the players he recruited. over and over again
nad im not whats wrong with travel baseball quite the fricking opposite.
i dont think playing more than 40-50 games is useful
i am 100% for strict pitching limits and if it was up to me, you could pitch 1 day and not two days in a row no matter the number of pitches thrown
im for the driveline approach of building the skills that scale.....maybe you have heard of them...they have 1 or 2 guys in the pros now
but im sure ole Tony knew better or maybe...he just said something you agreed with and reinfoced your thoughts on the subject.
you know you could just listen to thread, atp, performance center, cressey florida baseball armory, topvelo....you know only dozens upon dozens of players in the mlb, tons of coaches, hell cressey even head of player development for the yankees
but im sure ole tony who coached at mcneese and ull knew best
and for the record i loved tony and attended his camp every year at mcneese and ull and respect the frick out of him. but he isnt god and 1 person saying something doesnt mean its right.
i tend to think im a pretty smart guy when it comes to looking at trends/statistics, reading scientific studies, biomechanic reports etc and figuring out the things that matter considering its what you do as an engineer.
and its quite ironic i have come to many of the same conclusions the above guys have come to. all the science, math, stats etc say we are correct. the people who say we are incorrect tend to be the ones that want to say...back in my day....or its always been done that away etc
and frankly your response did not address the issue. you have said over and over again that travel ball doesnt matter and its a scam and dont need to play it to play HS baseabll....yet parent post say you are wrong.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 10:50 am to lsu777
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and you know this how? then explain why most ucl injuries happen in spring training and the equivelant for lower levels?
You have stats to back this up?
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but yea doctors can never be wrong right? we have really learned that over last 3 years.....never question a doctor or the government right?
Because every pro athlete that needs TJ or has an ACL tear goes to Fauci to have it done right?
Posted on 5/19/23 at 10:51 am to lsudocts
My kid plays rec ball, coaches pitch.
Last night, the opposing coach was throwing warmup pitches, then kneeled down facing the outfield to say a prayer, then drew a cross or something in the mound dirt all while the kids were waiting to play.
Then he proceeded to scream at some kid on his team that didnt run like 2 minutes later.
Was so bad, a spectator from our team and the umps were telling him to stop.
...and thats just rec ball.
Last night, the opposing coach was throwing warmup pitches, then kneeled down facing the outfield to say a prayer, then drew a cross or something in the mound dirt all while the kids were waiting to play.
Then he proceeded to scream at some kid on his team that didnt run like 2 minutes later.
Was so bad, a spectator from our team and the umps were telling him to stop.
...and thats just rec ball.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 10:58 am to FlyTheW08
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You have stats to back this up?
yea go look them up
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Because every pro athlete that needs TJ or has an ACL tear goes to Fauci to have it done right?
being a good surgeron doesnt mean you have all the answers. I dunno if andrews is correct or not, i beleive many of his recommendations are great and sound...just saying since he has been implementing his recommendations and pitch counts have become a thing and become strict that ucl tears are up
and why are you under the impression that kids dont take a break from throwing and play year around....you realize nobody in south louisiana does that right? or should i say none of the big orgs do that.
they are all off during july(unless its a big WS out of town), aug and september(usually start very light practice), most of decemember.
the kids also play other sports
the team follow the pitch limits, most only play on average every other weekend which is way more time between starts than LL....so just trying to understand where your BS is coming from
and how about go read about why velo matters and how the big field is the equalizer and about aging curves and why they matter etc before critizing. really never meant to argue with you, but you are behind the times on things for sure. if you need links lmk
we may not agree on everything but things are not as you think they are.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 10:58 am to lsu777
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yea go look them up
You made the statement. I need the facts.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 11:00 am to lsu777
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and why are you under the impression that kids dont take a break from throwing and play year around....you realize nobody in south louisiana does that right? or should i say none of the big orgs do that.
90 day breaks solid with NO throwing? Completely shut down.
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the team follow the pitch limits, most only play on average every other weekend which is way more time between starts than LL....so just trying to understand where your BS is coming from
What are these rules? Studies have said that you need 1 hour of rest for every game pitch you throw. I seriously doubt these rules align with that.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 11:01 am to FlyTheW08
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You made the statement. I need the facts.
go look up when TJ injuries happen. not sppon feeding you on that. you stated it was overuse injuries first.
This post was edited on 5/19/23 at 11:02 am
Posted on 5/19/23 at 11:02 am to lsu777
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go look up when TJ injuries happen. not sppon feeding you on that. you stated it was overuse injuries first.
Quit making bullshite statements without having the info to back it up.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 11:04 am to lsudocts
Some of y’all’s weird infatuation with what our people do with their lives is amazing. Why don’t y’all worry about improving your miserable life and let others worry about theirs.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 11:11 am to Lugnut
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Some of y’all’s weird infatuation with what our people do with their lives is amazing. Why don’t y’all worry about improving your miserable life and let others worry about theirs.
I'm worried about the kids that have had a job since they were 8 and will hate the game by 15 because isn't hasn't been fun in years. But because Mommy and Daddy put thousands of dollars into it, there is an expectation to play college ball. Really sucks for the kid.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 11:16 am to FlyTheW08
I enjoy baseball so much, I'm tempted to drive 20 minutes to Thibodaux and paying my $10 just to watch some baseball.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 11:16 am to FlyTheW08
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I'm worried about the kids that have had a job since they were 8 and will hate the game by 15 because isn't hasn't been fun in years.
Thanks for proving my point.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 11:20 am to lsu777
Oh yea man. He told us upfront he was going to take 18-20 depending on the talent he saw. He said kids can change a lot between the ages of 14 and 17 and taking that many gives him a chance to get them going in the program.
My guy played 1 more fall season of rec ball after that (2021) and hung it up. He just finished his sophomore year and is in ROTC and works.
My guy played 1 more fall season of rec ball after that (2021) and hung it up. He just finished his sophomore year and is in ROTC and works.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 11:23 am to wheelz007
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He told us upfront he was going to take 18-20 depending on the talent he saw. He said kids can change a lot between the ages of 14 and 17 and taking that many gives him a chance to get them going in the program.
Seems like a smart coach. No where is "skill" in this conversation. Coaches can teach skill. Talent is what they need.
I understand rec ball sucks. But there has to be a happy medium between fanatical baseball 25 weekends a year and the current state of rec ball. Hopefully the pendulum swings back the other direction.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 11:28 am to FlyTheW08
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You have stats to back this up?
Did you have any of the stats to back up the countless claims you’ve made??
No, but Tony Robicheaux said it, so it must be gospel
Posted on 5/19/23 at 11:36 am to Mr. Hangover
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Did you have any of the stats to back up the countless claims you’ve made??
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1. Specialization: Playing one sport year-round
I believe all youth athletes should have at least two months off per year. It’s my
recommendation that youth baseball players have 3-to 4 months where no overhead
throwing is done, regardless of the sport.
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Showcases and Travel Ball: Respect the physical limits of the child
Be careful with showcases and travel ball tournaments where a child is expected to throw
multiple innings, and pitch with limited rest periods. These types of events are where
young throwers have a tendency to go beyond their normal capabilities.
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Fatigue: A “tired” arm leads to an injured arm
Avoid arm fatigue, especially early in the season. If your child throws with fatigue, our
research at the American Sports Medicine Institute (ASMI) indicates that there is a 36-to- 1 times increased risk for injury to the throwing shoulder and/or elbow.
Paper from Dr. Andrews
Rest Periods Required
Ages 14 & under Required # of Rest Pitches
66+ 4 calendar days
51-65 3 calendar days
36-50 2 calendar days
21-35 1 calendar days
1-20 None
Andrews sports medicine website
Anything else?
This post was edited on 5/19/23 at 12:03 pm
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Posted on 5/19/23 at 11:40 am to FlyTheW08
I think this is my favorite MSB thread ever. Absurdities from every direction.
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