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re: Which is the better coach? Bill Parcells or Tom Coughlin
Posted on 6/5/13 at 3:23 pm to chalmetteowl
Posted on 6/5/13 at 3:23 pm to chalmetteowl
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too bad Parcells never took an expansion team to success from day 1.
Coughlin's coached his entire career after the start of free agency. Coughlin's also won the Super Bowl twice as big underdogs, once by beating the unbeatable Patriots
He was basically Jacksonville's GM as well. Brought in Brunell, Taylor, Boseli, Smith, McCardell...pretty impressive.
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Posted on 6/5/13 at 3:45 pm to chalmetteowl
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there you go again...
too bad Parcells never took an expansion team to success from day 1.
Coughlin's coached his entire career after the start of free agency. Coughlin's also won the Super Bowl twice as big underdogs, once by beating the unbeatable Patriots
He fluked in to a couple of wins with underachieving teams. He's not half the Coach Parcells was.
Posted on 6/5/13 at 3:46 pm to sorantable
Both built up multiple teams but Parcells took multiple teams to the SB. I'll go with him.
Posted on 6/5/13 at 4:03 pm to UsingUpAllTheLetters
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He proved it to me when he had even a little success with the most dysfunctional organization in the League.
TWICE.............
Posted on 6/5/13 at 4:12 pm to rutiger
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George young did that, but you're right to an extent. its parcells hands down, giants teams are WAY too inconsistent under coughlin to even consider it.
Parcells has zero championships if he doesn't inherit his three best players (LT, Carson, Simms).
And while we are discussing consistency, the Giants missed the playoffs the two years after their first Super Bowl. They were second fiddle to Joe Gibbs' Redskins for most of the 80s in the NFC East. And both were second fiddle to the 49ers.
After 1986, Parcells teams missed the post-season more often than they made it.
I'm not disingenuous Parcells as much as I am saying that Coughlin is every bit as good as him.
Posted on 6/5/13 at 4:13 pm to lsutigers1992
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Parcells has zero championships if he doesn't inherit his three best players (LT, Carson, Simms).
You can say this for pretty much any coach.
Posted on 6/5/13 at 4:14 pm to sorantable
Regular season record of 67-76-1 (.465). Playoff record of 1-4 (.200).
That is Parcells head coaching record without Bill Belichick running his defenses.
That is Parcells head coaching record without Bill Belichick running his defenses.
Posted on 6/5/13 at 4:17 pm to wildtigercat93
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You can say this for pretty much any coach.
But not for the ones who brag about "buying the groceries?"
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Posted on 6/5/13 at 4:23 pm to TigerintheNO
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Regular season record of 67-76-1 (.465). Playoff record of 1-4 (.200).
That is Parcells head coaching record without Bill Belichick running his defenses.
Damn
Posted on 6/5/13 at 4:27 pm to lsutigers1992
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But not for the ones who brag about "buying the groceries?"
The only time Parcells truly bought the groceries he took the Dolphins from 1-15 to 11-5
Posted on 6/5/13 at 4:29 pm to TigerintheNO
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Regular season record of 67-76-1 (.465). Playoff record of 1-4 (.200). That is Parcells head coaching record without Bill Belichick running his defenses.
Can't argue this, But I would still take Parcells..........
Posted on 6/5/13 at 4:31 pm to sorantable
Most people who hold Bill Parcells in this other-worldly regard are people who only know the soundbites and don't remember him in the 80s. He was at best the 3rd best coach in the NFC in his prime. And technically, you could argue that Ditka was better too.
Yes, he resurrected the Patriots and Jets. But both had basically one good season with both, and he did it by bringing back all the retreads from his old teams. And that hurt those teams in the long run because he preferred going with his boys instead of developing talent. If he would have had his way, Vinny Testaverde would have played about 2 more years ahead of Tony Romo. Because he was "comfortable" with him.
Yes, he resurrected the Patriots and Jets. But both had basically one good season with both, and he did it by bringing back all the retreads from his old teams. And that hurt those teams in the long run because he preferred going with his boys instead of developing talent. If he would have had his way, Vinny Testaverde would have played about 2 more years ahead of Tony Romo. Because he was "comfortable" with him.
Posted on 6/5/13 at 4:34 pm to lsutigers1992
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And technically, you could argue that Ditka was better too.
Posted on 6/5/13 at 4:38 pm to VerlanderBEAST
It's parcells
Coughlin is off the parcells tree. It's bill and Tom would say the same thing
Coughlin is off the parcells tree. It's bill and Tom would say the same thing
Posted on 6/5/13 at 4:43 pm to VerlanderBEAST
Laugh if you want, dumbass. How many divisions in a row did Parcells win?
And go ahead and play the Buddy Ryan card. Because somebody already played the Bill Belichick card.
Ask Dolphins fans how they liked the Parcells/Sparano regime. What did they do for the Dolphins in the long run? Bring in Parcells' old boys from Dallas like Anthony Fasano and Jason Ferguson?
And go ahead and play the Buddy Ryan card. Because somebody already played the Bill Belichick card.
Ask Dolphins fans how they liked the Parcells/Sparano regime. What did they do for the Dolphins in the long run? Bring in Parcells' old boys from Dallas like Anthony Fasano and Jason Ferguson?
Posted on 6/5/13 at 4:45 pm to TigerintheNO
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Bill Belichick running his defenses.
that game plan he had for Buffalo was gutsy. Basically they were just going to put the pressure on the WR's. They dropped like 8 guys in coverage all night. And when the Bills did complete a pass, the Giants secondary was all over them. I remember one play where James Lofton caught a long pass off a deflection for a big gain but that was it. Other than that, I don't remember many explosive passing plays from Buffalo's offense that night in the Super Bowl.
and that had been where they had made their mark that season. They had blowing teams out in the playoffs. Andre Reed and co. were getting a lot of yardage after the catch. But the Giants didn't allow it in the Super Bowl.
Thurman Thomas had a big game though. The Giants were conceding the run, and had the Bills won, it would have been Thomas who was Super Bowl MVP that year.
The Giants also won the NFC title that year vs. the 49ers. They didn't score any touchdowns either, only field goals. Man, they sure had a tough defense.
Posted on 6/5/13 at 4:47 pm to lsutigers1992
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But not for the ones who brag about "buying the groceries?"
Irrelevant to his coaching abilities
Posted on 6/5/13 at 5:00 pm to lsutigers1992
quote:For anyone to concede that there is a point here, there would have to be a consensus that Coughlin is the NFC's best coach. I don't think we have that.
Most people who hold Bill Parcells in this other-worldly regard are people who only know the soundbites and don't remember him in the 80s. He was at best the 3rd best coach in the NFC in his prime.
I don't think this thread is Bill Walsh vs. Bill Parcells.
quote:What? The Pats have never looked back. Vinny went down early in the 1999 season and they still went 8-8.
Yes, he resurrected the Patriots and Jets. But both had basically one good season with both, and he did it by bringing back all the retreads from his old teams. And that hurt those teams in the long run because he preferred going with his boys instead of developing talent.
Posted on 6/5/13 at 5:08 pm to alajones
I can name 2 contemporary coaches in the NFC who were clearly better than Parcells: Walsh and Gibbs
I cannot name a contemporary NFC coach who is clearly better than Coughlin. Payton and McCarthy are arguably his equals. Belichick is the only contemporary coach with more Lombardis, I believe.
Again, it's part Parcells being overrated and Coughlin being underrated.
I cannot name a contemporary NFC coach who is clearly better than Coughlin. Payton and McCarthy are arguably his equals. Belichick is the only contemporary coach with more Lombardis, I believe.
Again, it's part Parcells being overrated and Coughlin being underrated.
Posted on 6/5/13 at 5:12 pm to alajones
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What? The Pats have never looked back. Vinny went down early in the 1999 season and they still went 8-8
Belichilick rebuilt the Pats in his image. All of Parcells boys like Drew Bledsoe and Terry Glenn were dumped. And where did they wind up? Being mediocre with Parcells in Dallas, of course!
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