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Where does Mark Helfrich rank among CFB HCs?
Posted by paperstreet
on 12/4/14 at 4:47 am
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022-3 in his two seasons so far.
Top 15? 10?
Or do we need to wait a full four year cycle to fully judge?
Top 15? 10?
Or do we need to wait a full four year cycle to fully judge?
Posted by Sevendust912 on 12/4/14 at 5:23 am to paperstreet
You'll get a better answer once the QB leaves and he gets his own roster. Nothing but pure speculation but IMO he won't be anywhere close to Chip.
This post was edited on 12/4 at 5:24 am
Posted by paperstreet on 12/4/14 at 5:31 am to Sevendust912
on 12/4/14 at 5:31 am to Sevendust912quote:
You'll get a better answer once the QB leaves
Was going to add that. I agree.
Posted by weptiger 
on 12/4/14 at 7:35 am to paperstreet
on 12/4/14 at 7:35 am to paperstreet...but, but, but....he is winning with Chip Kelly's players.
Posted by LSUintheNW on 12/4/14 at 7:39 am to Sevendust912
on 12/4/14 at 7:39 am to Sevendust912quote:
Nothing but pure speculation but IMO he won't be anywhere close to Chip.
He's already shown that. Chip wouldn't have lost to AZ. He won the games he was supposed to win.
I will say he's improving. Just like Frost. Both have done better this year than last. Helfrich has a very stable coaching staff and seems to be a good recruiter so I doubt he completely falls on his face.
Posted by Bunk Moreland 
on 12/4/14 at 7:44 am to paperstreet
on 12/4/14 at 7:44 am to paperstreetJust like David Shaw, who you can really start evaluating now, check back in a couple of years.
This post was edited on 12/4 at 7:45 am
Posted by Rickety Cricket 
on 12/4/14 at 7:48 am to LSUintheNW
on 12/4/14 at 7:48 am to LSUintheNWquote:
He won the games he was supposed to win.
Like the home game against #14 Stanford in '12? Or to #18 USC at home in '11? Both games Oregon was ranked in the top 4 and Chip shite the bed.
Posted by LSUintheNW on 12/4/14 at 8:04 am to Rickety Cricket
on 12/4/14 at 8:04 am to Rickety CricketYou're reaching a bit. Both those teams were more than capable of winning and were good teams. But yeah, they shite the bed.
Posted by mm2316 
on 12/4/14 at 8:24 am to LSUintheNW
on 12/4/14 at 8:24 am to LSUintheNWquote:
Both those teams were more than capable of winning and were good teams. But yeah, they shite the bed.
While Arizona was unranked when they played Oregon this year, I'd say they were "more than capable of winning, and are a good team." Not much difference from USC that year.
But I think you have to give Helfrich a couple of more years before you can evaluate him. Although the defense is playing better from the beginning of the year, he might want to upgrade over Pellum at DC this offseason. I doubt they will, but it could really hurt them over the next few years without Mariota carrying the load.
This post was edited on 12/4 at 8:24 am
Posted by c on z 
on 12/4/14 at 8:26 am to Sevendust912
on 12/4/14 at 8:26 am to Sevendust912quote:
You'll get a better answer once the QB leaves and he gets his own roster. Nothing but pure speculation but IMO he won't be anywhere close to Chip.
Already getting the Miles treatment
Posted by LSUintheNW on 12/4/14 at 8:28 am to mm2316
on 12/4/14 at 8:28 am to mm2316quote:
While Arizona was unranked when they played Oregon this year, I'd say they were "more than capable of winning, and are a good team." Not much difference from USC that year.
Eh...SC had better athletes on both lines, especially on D. AZ certainly was capable but I think imo that was a bad loss.
quote:
Although the defense is playing better from the beginning of the year, he might want to upgrade over Pellum at DC this offseason. I doubt they will,
They won't and I don't think they should. It was his first year and he, like the team, improved. He'll be fine. They won't just replace him on a whim. He's part of the stability that has been there for years.
This post was edited on 12/4 at 8:34 am
Posted by 632627 
on 12/4/14 at 8:39 am to paperstreet
on 12/4/14 at 8:39 am to paperstreetIt's hard to say. After last year, i thought helfrich was awful. They have obviously played much better this year, but as many others have noted, lets see how he does without mariota. I will give him credit, the team has improved a lot throughout the season, and in retrospect the arizona loss doesn't look as bad now.
The funny thing regarding the comparison to Shaw is that i knew from the stanford loss to okie state in the fiesta that shaw was a shitty coach, yet people kept pumping him up for the next 2 years. Now after this season everyone sees how he really was just riding the coattails of harbaugh and now all the momentum of the program is gone. Same as larry coker in miami.
The funny thing regarding the comparison to Shaw is that i knew from the stanford loss to okie state in the fiesta that shaw was a shitty coach, yet people kept pumping him up for the next 2 years. Now after this season everyone sees how he really was just riding the coattails of harbaugh and now all the momentum of the program is gone. Same as larry coker in miami.
Posted by Biggus Duckus 
on 12/4/14 at 6:11 pm to 632627
on 12/4/14 at 6:11 pm to 632627I agree that a "wait and see" approach is best, but we shouldn't forget that he found and recruited Mariota. I wasn't sold on him last year, but he's made great calls with playcalling, roster changeups, hiring assistants and more.
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