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Posted on 9/4/19 at 4:59 pm to Buckeye Backer
Can we all at least acknowledge that the MAC and the Sunbelt need to be FCS? That seems like an easy solution to me.
Posted on 9/4/19 at 5:00 pm to I Bleed Garnet
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what’s the money difference for a team that plays in FCS vs the FBS?
Posted on 9/4/19 at 5:01 pm to Buckeye Backer
quote:Why? A Sun Belt team just beat the shite out of an SEC team. The MAC and Sun Belt aren’t in anyone’s way.
Can we all at least acknowledge that the MAC and the Sunbelt need to be FCS?
The drop-off from P5 to G5 is nowhere near the drop-off from G5 to FCS.
This post was edited on 9/4/19 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 9/4/19 at 5:01 pm to xiv
The money can’t be that big of a difference or North Dakota St would have joined FBS by now right? I’m curious about that as well.
Posted on 9/4/19 at 5:04 pm to Buckeye Backer
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Can we all at least acknowledge that the MAC and the Sunbelt need to be FCS? That seems like an easy solution to me.
I don’t know much about the actually money numbers
But a handful of SunBelt schools just moved from FCS to FBS
Maybe winning a championship isn’t their major goal, considering the ones that moved up we’re doing that (or competing for that) in the FCS (App State, Ga Southern and Coastal Carolina)
Posted on 9/4/19 at 5:05 pm to Buckeye Backer
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Can we all at least acknowledge that the MAC and the Sunbelt need to be FCS? That seems like an easy solution to me.
Entire conferences aren't just going to drop to the FCS. You think the university presidents and conference commissioners will just one day say, "you know what? frick our television revenue we get from being a part of the FBS. Let's drop to FCS so we can make less money and compete for a championship!!!!!!!"
The only way something like that could even remotely happen is if P5's split. G5 would remain FBS, and P5's would just become something else entirely. While that scenario would be the only way something like that comes to fruition, it still won't happen.
Posted on 9/4/19 at 5:05 pm to Buckeye Backer
Ok you say that, so then by that statement, if Georgia St wins out, should Georgia St be taken seriously as a CFP contender? If not, then what’s the point? I mean they’re either FBS or they aren’t. The G5 is in perpetual playoff purgatory.
Posted on 9/4/19 at 5:05 pm to Buckeye Backer
quote:Must average 15k/game for two consecutive years (i know) and have a stadium of 30k or more (I think). NDSU isn’t so interested in leveling the 18k Fargodome.
The money can’t be that big of a difference or North Dakota St would have joined FBS by now right?
Posted on 9/4/19 at 5:06 pm to Buckeye Backer
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The money can’t be that big of a difference or North Dakota St would have joined FBS by now right? I’m curious about that as well.
Maybe it’s because they can’t find an FBS division or none have asked them to?
Coastal GSU and App State were all successful FCS programs who made the jump
Posted on 9/4/19 at 5:07 pm to Buckeye Backer
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The G5 is in perpetual playoff purgatory.
Maybe winning a title isn’t the goal for their football program?
Posted on 9/4/19 at 5:07 pm to Buckeye Backer
quote:If BYU goes undefeated, they have a legit shot at a playoff berth.
The G5 is in perpetual playoff purgatory.
The way to do it is go independent, schedule tough teams, and go on the road more often than not until you can guarantee 50k+ asses in the seats on average.
Posted on 9/4/19 at 5:09 pm to Buckeye Backer
A school like Kent St can’t possibly be making that much more money than a school like North Dakota St. I just don’t believe that there’s that much money difference between the MAC/ Sunbelt and the Missouri Valley Conference. I would actually love to see those numbers.
Posted on 9/4/19 at 5:09 pm to Buckeye Backer
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The money can’t be that big of a difference or North Dakota St would have joined FBS by now right?
An FBS conference needs to extend an invitation to a school in FCS to make the leap. NDSU is on an island well beyond the geographic footprint of SBC/CUSA/AAC. MAC would be their only option, and the MAC isn't going to dilute their conference TV earnings just to add a football program.
It's why the SunBelt kicked Denver, Idaho, and NMSU out.
Posted on 9/4/19 at 5:10 pm to Baers Foot
In the article i posted from the Houston chronicle it actually says the AAC has a 12 year $1bn TV contract
I know that’s nothing to the SEC or Big Ten, but that’s still significant for a G5 conference. No?
And would they get that if they dropped to the FCS?
What the payout for winning an FCS national title?
I know that’s nothing to the SEC or Big Ten, but that’s still significant for a G5 conference. No?
And would they get that if they dropped to the FCS?
What the payout for winning an FCS national title?
Posted on 9/4/19 at 5:10 pm to msutiger
There should be 3 tiers to what was formerly called Division 1 football.
Get the P5 teams together about 75-80 of them over 5-6 conferences.
Then get the next 80-90 teams in their own structure. This would be primarily current G5 teams and the top 20-30 FCS programs.
The last division would be the remaining teams.
Each division has it’s own playoffs and bowls.
P5 will have the 3 playoff games and 12 of it’s own bowls.
G5 will have it’s own 8 team playoff and 12 bowls as well.
The last division can have a 12 or 16 game playoff. The first two rounds are at the higher seeds home stadium and the semis are in the same stadium on back to back nights and the finals are at a predetermined site each year.
Get the P5 teams together about 75-80 of them over 5-6 conferences.
Then get the next 80-90 teams in their own structure. This would be primarily current G5 teams and the top 20-30 FCS programs.
The last division would be the remaining teams.
Each division has it’s own playoffs and bowls.
P5 will have the 3 playoff games and 12 of it’s own bowls.
G5 will have it’s own 8 team playoff and 12 bowls as well.
The last division can have a 12 or 16 game playoff. The first two rounds are at the higher seeds home stadium and the semis are in the same stadium on back to back nights and the finals are at a predetermined site each year.
Posted on 9/4/19 at 5:12 pm to Buckeye Backer
quote:Virtually all G5’s get at least one big money road game per year. FCS schools get them much less frequently. That alone accounts for a giant difference.
I just don’t believe that there’s that much money difference between the MAC/ Sunbelt and the Missouri Valley Conference. I would actually love to see those numbers.
Posted on 9/4/19 at 5:13 pm to Buckeye Backer
Kent St - 25,300 seats
Bowling Greene - 24,000 seats
Ohio U - 27,000
Miami U - 24,000
I mean half the MAC wouldn’t be FBS by that standard?
Bowling Greene - 24,000 seats
Ohio U - 27,000
Miami U - 24,000
I mean half the MAC wouldn’t be FBS by that standard?
Posted on 9/4/19 at 5:18 pm to Buckeye Backer
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A school like Kent St can’t possibly be making that much more money than a school like North Dakota St. I just don’t believe that there’s that much money difference between the MAC/ Sunbelt and the Missouri Valley Conference. I would actually love to see those numbers.
MAC: 670k per year per school
LINK
SunBelt’s old contract was 100k per year per school
They just extended in 2018 but can’t find what the new payout would be
One would assume more
Can’t find anything on the MVC
AACs Is 7million a year and now an increase of 700k with UConn leaving
This post was edited on 9/4/19 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 9/4/19 at 5:20 pm to I Bleed Garnet
^^^
Thanks! That’s an interesting and shocking disparity in money in regards to the MAC vs Sunbelt. I would be all for the G5 merging with the top 5 FCS conferences and becoming the G10. It would be legit playoff for those schools.
Thanks! That’s an interesting and shocking disparity in money in regards to the MAC vs Sunbelt. I would be all for the G5 merging with the top 5 FCS conferences and becoming the G10. It would be legit playoff for those schools.
This post was edited on 9/4/19 at 5:22 pm
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