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re: What is a scenario(s) that keeps 13-0 Wisconsin out of the playoff?
Posted on 11/8/17 at 4:27 pm to wildtigercat93
Posted on 11/8/17 at 4:27 pm to wildtigercat93
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If they put Wisconsin in, it basically takes away any real advantage to scheduling good OOC games.
Washington got in last year with a worse non conference schedule AND had a loss. The committee had a chance last year to make a statement and leave out Washington for Penn State but did not
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Posted on 11/8/17 at 4:35 pm to oleyeller
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If wisc is 13-0.. they are in 100%. An undefeated big10 champ will be in
Please, please, please stop using this as an argument. Booger and Herbie could not have said it any better last night about this. The fact that they would be undefeated and/or big 10 champs LIT-TER-AL-LY means jackshit. The committee could end up putting them in with those 2 things being true, but it will not be BECAUSE of those 2 things.
I don't think people realize how likely it is for Notre Dame, Alabama/Georgia, Oklahoma/TCU, and Clemson to win out. Just pick between those 2 SEC/BIG 12 matchups and all 4 of those teams would go EASILY ahead of 13-0 Wisky. It wouldn't even be longer than a 15 minute conversation!
Posted on 11/8/17 at 4:39 pm to Broken Ear Glen
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Herbie
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Booger
I feel sorry for people who value anything any of the talking heads have to say
Posted on 11/8/17 at 4:40 pm to zzgobucky
Oh, you mean 2 of those most respected CFB analysts? 
Posted on 11/8/17 at 4:46 pm to Broken Ear Glen
Everyone on there has an agenda. You know damn well that if this was OSU, Herbie would be singing a different tune, same with Booger and LSU.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 5:00 pm to zzgobucky
It doesn't matter who said it. It could've been Joe Shmoe and John Doe I don't care. What they said is true though. You're delusional if you think the committee will at any point in the debate state "well they're undefeated and a P5 champ" as grounds for putting them in. Those 2 things don't mean anything without context. And the context is you've essentially played no one relative to competition.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 5:15 pm to Broken Ear Glen
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And the context is you've essentially played no one relative to competition.
Not yet, but by the end of the season it will likely be 3 top 25 wins (again, assuming 13-0). 4 if Northwestern ends up ranked.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 5:38 pm to Chucktown_Badger
Northwestern should finish 9-3 and ranked.
Whoever they play in the Big Ten championship will be ranked, and probably finish ranked in the top 10-15.
Michigan is 7-2 now and unranked. I don't see why they'd be ranked after finishing the season 1-2. So that won't be a ranked win for Wisconsin.
Iowa should finished ranked at 8-4. However, if they lose @Nebraksa to end the season, they won't.
There is a scenario where 13-0 Wisconsin plays 2 teams that are ranked at the end of the season. It will probably be three, but I doubt Michigan is one of them.
Whoever they play in the Big Ten championship will be ranked, and probably finish ranked in the top 10-15.
Michigan is 7-2 now and unranked. I don't see why they'd be ranked after finishing the season 1-2. So that won't be a ranked win for Wisconsin.
Iowa should finished ranked at 8-4. However, if they lose @Nebraksa to end the season, they won't.
There is a scenario where 13-0 Wisconsin plays 2 teams that are ranked at the end of the season. It will probably be three, but I doubt Michigan is one of them.
This post was edited on 11/8/17 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 11/8/17 at 8:15 pm to BayouBengals03
By that logic if Wisconsin beats Iowa they should get a major boost over a team that crushed Ohio State the week prior.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 8:30 pm to crazyatthecamp
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By that logic if Wisconsin beats Iowa they should get a major boost over a team that crushed Ohio State the week prior.
No, that isn't similar logic at all.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 8:42 pm to BayouBengals03
You sound reasonable. But not in this case.
So a FSU team that started a half strong and then went in the shitter for the year should count as a great win for Bama.
But Wisconsin catches a team improving towards the end of the season and they don't get credit for that because of their prior losses on the last play to PSU and Northwestern.
Bias.
If Bama loses one and Wisconsin wins out the resumes are comparable.
So a FSU team that started a half strong and then went in the shitter for the year should count as a great win for Bama.
But Wisconsin catches a team improving towards the end of the season and they don't get credit for that because of their prior losses on the last play to PSU and Northwestern.
Bias.
If Bama loses one and Wisconsin wins out the resumes are comparable.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 8:54 pm to crazyatthecamp
I'm biased towards Alabama?
I hate Alabama and I hate the entire SEC (besides LSU). If there's a scenario where no one in the SEC makes the playoff this season, let me know so I can cheer for it.
That being said, it's really not the same. If Wisconsin beats Iowa, they will get credit for it; as Iowa is likely to finish 8-4 and ranked in the top 25 of the final CFP poll. Iowa's ranking will more or less be a reflection of their entire body of work for the season.
Florida State's situation is different because their most important player was injured in the first game of the season, pretty much altering the course of their entire season.
Yes, Florida State has some defensive deficiencies that would have arisen still, regardless of the injury to Francois. However, their season would have likely played out very differently.
They have rescheduled the cancelled game with ULM, so there's a decent chance they end up at 6-6 and make a bowl.
Back to Iowa, they might be improving, but they've been pretty good all year. Their three losses are all to teams that are currently ranked. Lost by 2 to Penn State, 7 at Michigan State, and lost in overtime at Northwestern. They also have a win against a pretty good Iowa State team.
ETA: Also, I'm not saying that Florida State should count as a "great win" for Alabama. I'm just saying that the Francois injury needs to be taken into consideration. And I believe it will be.
I hate Alabama and I hate the entire SEC (besides LSU). If there's a scenario where no one in the SEC makes the playoff this season, let me know so I can cheer for it.
That being said, it's really not the same. If Wisconsin beats Iowa, they will get credit for it; as Iowa is likely to finish 8-4 and ranked in the top 25 of the final CFP poll. Iowa's ranking will more or less be a reflection of their entire body of work for the season.
Florida State's situation is different because their most important player was injured in the first game of the season, pretty much altering the course of their entire season.
Yes, Florida State has some defensive deficiencies that would have arisen still, regardless of the injury to Francois. However, their season would have likely played out very differently.
They have rescheduled the cancelled game with ULM, so there's a decent chance they end up at 6-6 and make a bowl.
Back to Iowa, they might be improving, but they've been pretty good all year. Their three losses are all to teams that are currently ranked. Lost by 2 to Penn State, 7 at Michigan State, and lost in overtime at Northwestern. They also have a win against a pretty good Iowa State team.
ETA: Also, I'm not saying that Florida State should count as a "great win" for Alabama. I'm just saying that the Francois injury needs to be taken into consideration. And I believe it will be.
This post was edited on 11/8/17 at 8:58 pm
Posted on 11/9/17 at 12:39 am to BayouBengals03
Is this thread really still going on?
These things will all work itself out.
Wisconsin will lose to Michigan
Oklahoma will lose to TCU
Notre Dame will get upset my Miami, but Miami still loses to Clemson who wins out
Auburn beats either Bama or UGA
Chaos ensues
These things will all work itself out.
Wisconsin will lose to Michigan
Oklahoma will lose to TCU
Notre Dame will get upset my Miami, but Miami still loses to Clemson who wins out
Auburn beats either Bama or UGA
Chaos ensues
Posted on 11/9/17 at 8:49 am to QJenk
With each Wisconsin win, this thread will only get more interesting.
I think they're more likely to lose to Iowa than Michigan.
I think they're more likely to lose to Iowa than Michigan.
Posted on 11/9/17 at 9:21 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Wisconsin would need all future opponents to win all other games and look solid in doing so.
I expect iowa to end this discussion saturday. Wisc @ iowa. Temps cool but above freezing. Looking forward to it.
I expect iowa to end this discussion saturday. Wisc @ iowa. Temps cool but above freezing. Looking forward to it.
This post was edited on 11/9/17 at 9:24 am
Posted on 11/9/17 at 9:25 am to CelticDog
ND and iowa and tcu are going to simplify the landscape with wins over good teams. Rooting for miami but expecting ND big backs to run over the u in 4th quarter to break it open.
This post was edited on 11/9/17 at 9:27 am
Posted on 11/9/17 at 11:01 am to CelticDog
Herbstreit on with Dan Patrick this morning again talking about an Armageddon situation for Wisconsin
Posted on 11/9/17 at 11:04 am to BayouBengals03
We are suppose to be putting in the 4 best teams. Wisconsin isn't the 4 best teams and their resume is garbage.
Posted on 11/9/17 at 11:08 am to Roaring Cowboy
Andy Staples of Sports Illustrated says that if Wisconsin finishes 13-0, they are in.
Posted on 11/9/17 at 12:54 pm to Roaring Cowboy
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Wisconsin isn't the 4 best teams
Prove it.
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