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re: Westbrook off to a decent 2nd half start
Posted on 3/1/17 at 2:29 pm to ReauxlTide222
Posted on 3/1/17 at 2:29 pm to ReauxlTide222
CC have too much spacing if you try to take away the three PT line harden is at the rim all game long. theres a reason this a top 10 offense of all time. And it's because James is so good in the PnR that if you don't help he's scoring at will. And if you do help James is a top 3-4 passer in the NBA and will make you pay.
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Posted on 3/1/17 at 2:35 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Westbrook was not a better ball-handler whatsoever. He was not quicker and could not break his man down any better than AI. Allen Iverson's handles were revolutionary and kids attempted to copy his moves endlessly on streets across this great land. His moves were new and ruthless on the court. He was smoother and less chaotic going to the rim at all times and finished just as well. We talk about how athletic Russ and he is just that, but people AI had a higher vertical, faster, and quicker than Russ.
Allen Iverson was way more dominant in College and early years in the NBA. Sometimes all you need is the eyeball test to see what you need to see and truly most of the time it is the case. Allen Iverson was a better basketball player. It is just that simple. Also, Allen did not play point guard and wasn't asked to rebound and assist as he was 5'10 and barely 170 lbs, if that. Russ is going to play himself into a coma and be spent in 3 years at this pace. He is running on anger and resentment. It can only carry you so far.
Allen Iverson was way more dominant in College and early years in the NBA. Sometimes all you need is the eyeball test to see what you need to see and truly most of the time it is the case. Allen Iverson was a better basketball player. It is just that simple. Also, Allen did not play point guard and wasn't asked to rebound and assist as he was 5'10 and barely 170 lbs, if that. Russ is going to play himself into a coma and be spent in 3 years at this pace. He is running on anger and resentment. It can only carry you so far.
Posted on 3/1/17 at 2:43 pm to Boomshockalocka
Anyone who thinks the Rockets aren't a legitimate threat this year hasn't been watching the games. James Harden is now on a team, with the right coach for his abilities. With their new system, it works just as you say with his getting to the rim and thus: the foul line.
They can beat GS if KD is unavailable because of this style. GS has no rim protector.
They can beat GS if KD is unavailable because of this style. GS has no rim protector.
Posted on 3/1/17 at 2:47 pm to reo45
I think Houston would win the series against GS without KD.
Posted on 3/1/17 at 2:49 pm to reo45
Rockets aren't gonna beat GS with their style in a 7 game series, you don't see GS going 10-50 from three like the Rockets did their last game. Getting in a jump shooting contest with Warriors in a 7 game series equals inevitable room. OKC and Cleveland used their length and height advantage to take it to GS last year, OKC got into a shooting contest with Klay in game 6 and paid for it.
And KD will be back for the playoffs, that's pretty much a guarantee
And KD will be back for the playoffs, that's pretty much a guarantee
This post was edited on 3/1/17 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 3/1/17 at 3:02 pm to ReauxlTide222
As do I and it has to do with one thing that another poster said and that has to do with the spacing. In the playoffs they won't shoot 50 as their dumb general manager expressed. They will ask harden to be more forceful in getting to the rim and putting GW in foul situations early. They have no rim protector and KD won't be 100% regardless of him being on the floor. If KD isn't 100% and playing active around the basket harden will feast at the rim.
Posted on 3/1/17 at 3:06 pm to reo45
Yea the dumb arse general manager who has helped to build a top 10 offense of all time 
Posted on 3/1/17 at 3:12 pm to Boomshockalocka
That style won't work in the playoffs> Ask the suns.
But, the suns didn't have a harden. Just watch and see come playoff time. You will see Harden be more conscious of getting to the rim and putting teams in foul situations early. In the playoffs it is about forcing the action at the rim and defending the rim. I don't see either team beating Cleveland in the finals anyway. Cleveland with a legit rotation now will give both teams heck. But, Houston can beat GS if KD is not 100%. Plus, it is KD, who folds this time of year like a lame hand in poker.
But, the suns didn't have a harden. Just watch and see come playoff time. You will see Harden be more conscious of getting to the rim and putting teams in foul situations early. In the playoffs it is about forcing the action at the rim and defending the rim. I don't see either team beating Cleveland in the finals anyway. Cleveland with a legit rotation now will give both teams heck. But, Houston can beat GS if KD is not 100%. Plus, it is KD, who folds this time of year like a lame hand in poker.
Posted on 3/1/17 at 3:12 pm to reo45
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and less chaotic going to the rim at all times and finished just as well
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Sometimes all you need is the eyeball test to see what you need to see and truly most of the time it is the case.
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Allen Iverson was a better basketball player. It is just that simple.
Yea, as I said earlier, not sure what's triggering it, but you'r most certainly letting emotion cloud your eye test judgments.
Not sure if you know this, but Bref tracks shooting at the rim. Westbrook is better at it, unequivocally. He just is, factually speaking, the data tells you that. You can't just reject that data and say to heck with it, I know AI finished at the rim just as well as Westbrook...because he didn't.
Now based on this conversation, I'd find it hard to believe that's the ONLY thing you've misremembered in regards to how good AI was. But that's just 1 example, a microcosm of the bigger picture if you will.
Posted on 3/1/17 at 3:16 pm to reo45
To be fair to James, Nash at his best is no James Harden.
Harden is gonna be the first player in league history this year to average
28/11 assist with a .600 TS%. Probably gonna set the NBA record for points created per game.
The season James is having is unprecedented. Never have we seen someone put up these #s.
Then you see the team bust the vegas preseason o/u win total by 15 games and you see why harden is atop everybody's MVP ladder.
Harden is gonna be the first player in league history this year to average
28/11 assist with a .600 TS%. Probably gonna set the NBA record for points created per game.
The season James is having is unprecedented. Never have we seen someone put up these #s.
Then you see the team bust the vegas preseason o/u win total by 15 games and you see why harden is atop everybody's MVP ladder.
This post was edited on 3/1/17 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 3/1/17 at 3:27 pm to shel311
And you know how they come to those stats, how? Does it track turnovers around the basket before getting to the rim? Does it take into account how often the player goes to the line instead of finishing at the rim? Does it adjust the ranking based on players height? I could go on for days with statistics. AI was better my friend, period. Better, way better. So much better than Westbrook. I've seen them both play many times and I would unequivocally take Iverson before they asked me to pick between the two. In his prime he would play circles around Westbrook and break his ankles without breaking a sweat. Remember, he was faster, quicker, and had a higher vertical. All means nothing in terms of being better, but that is what makes Westbrook so good. Iverson in his prime would average 40 in this no center no defense league. It would be a joke. He made Jordan who is one of the best defenders in history look silly his rookie season when going for 40. Go watch him juke him out of his shoes. No, I make no mistake in my judgement lol, it isn't close. Not even a debate.
Posted on 3/1/17 at 3:29 pm to reo45
Blah, blah, blah...
Ohhhhhhhh.... Now I see what we're dealing with. Carry on.
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no defense league
Ohhhhhhhh.... Now I see what we're dealing with. Carry on.
Posted on 3/1/17 at 3:30 pm to reo45
Looks like we have another grumpy old man on the MSB. 
Posted on 3/1/17 at 3:36 pm to reo45
quote:Yes. Total amount of shots made at the rim divided into the total amount of attempts, and you get a %. Are you insinuating the at the rim FG% is skewed to hurt Iverson and help Westbrook? That makes no sense, just further shows clouded judgment/bias/emotion.
And you know how they come to those stats, how?
quote:THey're both PGs, height is irrelevant.
Does it adjust the ranking based on players height?
quote:No
AI was better my friend, period
quote:On 38 shot attempts, congrats. But yea, AI would average 40. You've gone off the deep end.
Iverson in his prime would average 40 in this no center no defense league.
quote:Good talks!!
it isn't close. Not even a debate.
Posted on 3/1/17 at 3:36 pm to reo45
Do you know how fast and quick Westbrook is? Nobody is the NBA can stop him from getting to the basket. You can say Iverson was a great HS QB, whatever, doesn't mean squat for basketball. Westbrook gets easy baskets, Iverson took terrible shots and sometimes they paid off.
Posted on 3/1/17 at 3:36 pm to monkeybutt
You think this league isn't defensively challenged around the rim? Davis, Ibaka and Towns. Dwight Howard 8 years ago. No Mutumbo's, Olajuwons, O'Neals, Robinsons, duncan in his prime, Mourning, Ewing, Parish, Laimbeer, etc, etc, etc. There is no real threat going to the rim and regretting you did so.
And if you don't think Iverson in his prime couldn't put up 40 in this league every game with the dearth of talent then you aren't worth the debate.
And if you don't think Iverson in his prime couldn't put up 40 in this league every game with the dearth of talent then you aren't worth the debate.
Posted on 3/1/17 at 3:36 pm to Aggie Fishfinder
quote:31/11/10, more efficient shooter. NOT EVEN A DEBATE, and he DOESN'T SCARE ME IF I'M A COACH!!!!
Looks like we have another grumpy old man on the MSB.
Posted on 3/1/17 at 3:37 pm to Woopigsooie20
quote:There was lots of talk just recently, Westbrook is quite probably the most gifted athlete to ever play in the NBA. But AI would have his way with him!!!! No debate, not even close!!!!
Do you know how fast and quick Westbrook is? Nobody is the NBA can stop him from getting to the basket. You can say Iverson was a great HS QB, whatever, doesn't mean squat for basketball. Westbrook gets easy baskets, Iverson took terrible shots and sometimes they paid off.
Posted on 3/1/17 at 3:37 pm to shel311
Iverson was WAYYYY BETTER.
Posted on 3/1/17 at 3:38 pm to reo45
quote:Is this real life?
And if you don't think Iverson in his prime couldn't put up 40 in this league every game with the dearth of talent then you aren't worth the debate.
40ppg LOL
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