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re: Well...Inside the NBA was GOAT.

Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:44 pm to
Posted by Fus0623
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Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:44 pm to
I was just thinking what would've happened if Charles Oakley was the guest host
Posted by eyeran
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Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:44 pm to
Steph would be fine in any era. But its almost impossible to project his game into the late 80s-early 90s, because of how much he uses the 3. Its just a totally different game.

Most of those guys grew up playing an inside-out game, trying to get as close to rim as possible. There was no point in taking a 25ft 2-point shot. Its 2016 and teams are just now beginning to fully exploit the 3 point shot.

If Curry's playing in that era AND playing that era's style he'd be driving to the rim, shooting mid range jumpers when he's cut off, and taking the occasional 3. It would definitely change him.

Its almost immaterial though, because, I believe era and rule changes have had a way better impact on big men, than they've had on guards.
Posted by TJGator1215
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Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:45 pm to
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Lol, Charles Barkley would hay-maker his arse right out of the paint. SOME guys could handle it.



Because it's true.
This post was edited on 5/10/16 at 10:47 pm
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:47 pm to
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Lol, Charles Barkley would hay-maker his arse right out of the paint. SOME guys could handle it.



Right, and some players back then wouldn't have the skills and athleticism to play with the guys today.

But the zealots of both eras will never concede on some of these points.
This post was edited on 5/10/16 at 10:49 pm
Posted by The Boat
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Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:47 pm to
What the hell man. You don't know how to post

It's just : rotflmao :
Posted by IceTiger
Really hot place
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Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:47 pm to
Muchless those bone crushing moving picks they never whistled back in the day, guys like Oakley, Mason, Lambier were there for a reason.

It is totally a different game especially away from the ball...muggings went on at the flanks, Stockton was notorious for thumb jabbing ribs.
Posted by NOLA Bronco
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:48 pm to
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Lol, Charles Barkley would hay-maker his arse right out of the paint. SOME guys could handle it.




The rule changes have changed the type of players and play style teams value.

So yeah I tend to agree generally speaking when the old timers say many couldn't hang back then. But there are plenty that could translate and some guys who are fringe players now that probably would thrive.



Posted by Solo
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:53 pm to
Knew there would be a thread on this...

That was incredible TV. They skipped commercials to keep going. That NEVER happens. Chuck and Kenny just went for the jugular.

Kenny telling Dwight to go get rebounds like Chuck had me on the floor. No respect for D12.

Also, if Chuck played on the same team as Harden he would break him in half. (Harden should be even more embarrassed than Dwight after that throttling.)

They are right that MJ would be unstoppable today, but they don't give Curry near the respect he deserves. I love Chuck in get off my lawn mode, though.

All in all that was riveting. The NBA is so incredible.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:54 pm to
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Muchless those bone crushing moving picks they never whistled back in the day, guys like Oakley, Mason, Lambier were there for a reason. It is totally a different game especially away from the ball...muggings went on at the flanks, Stockton was notorious for thumb jabbing ribs.
lmao at y'all acting like it was American Gladiators back then.

It's become so exaggerated over time.
Posted by NOLA Bronco
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:54 pm to
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Muchless those bone crushing moving picks they never whistled back in the day, guys like Oakley, Mason, Lambier were there for a reason.

It is totally a different game especially away from the ball...muggings went on at the flanks, Stockton was notorious for thumb jabbing ribs.


I mean just the rules governing defense like the three second rule, the restricted area, no hand checking, lots of changes to what you can do with your hands or forearms off and on the ball and tougher enforcement of certain types of physical fouls have really changed the way you defend.

Throw in the changes to zone defense and double teams and it shifted things even more.
Posted by hogNsinceReagan
Fayetteville, Ar
Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:01 pm to
Dwight Howard messed up going to the Lakers. I'm pretty sure I actually liked him when he played in Orlando. Dude will never win a championship, though. Not unless he turns straight venom and turns the league back around on it's head. HE is one person I think who could actually pull that off without too much backlash from the league.



lol
Posted by NOLA Bronco
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:01 pm to
quote:

Steph would be fine in any era. But its almost impossible to project his game into the late 80s-early 90s, because of how much he uses the 3. Its just a totally different game.

Most of those guys grew up playing an inside-out game, trying to get as close to rim as possible. There was no point in taking a 25ft 2-point shot. Its 2016 and teams are just now beginning to fully exploit the 3 point shot.

If Curry's playing in that era AND playing that era's style he'd be driving to the rim, shooting mid range jumpers when he's cut off, and taking the occasional 3. It would definitely change him.

Its almost immaterial though, because, I believe era and rule changes have had a way better impact on big men, than they've had on guards.


This is why projecting players to different eras is so difficult. People always want to cherry pick what logic they will operate under when projecting based on what conclusion they want to make.

On the one hand, Curry taking the knowledge of todays game and spamming threes in a league where one on one defense is strictly enforced would be pretty successful you would think.

BUT the game wasn't played that way and other issues wouldn't translate as well. For his small size in a league where you can push people around off the ball and direct them, Curry's screen game would likely not be very effective. His drive game would get him killed with the trees that man the paint and hard foul all game and don't have to worry about three second violations.

Eras value different skillsets and player types and the greats tend to be guys that happen to be the right combination to be the best in that era.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:07 pm to
quote:

This is why projecting players to different eras is so difficult. People always want to cherry pick what logic they will operate under when projecting based on what conclusion they want to make. On the one hand, Curry taking the knowledge of todays game and spamming threes in a league where one on one defense is strictly enforced would be pretty successful you would think. BUT the game wasn't played that way and other issues wouldn't translate as well. For his small size in a league where you can push people around off the ball and direct them, Curry's screen game would likely not be very effective. His drive game would get him killed with the trees that man the paint and hard foul all game and don't have to worry about three second violations. Eras value different skillsets and player types and the greats tend to be guys that happen to be the right combination to be the best in that era.
What do you mean "don't have to worry about 3 second violations"? They had to actively guard a man back then so they couldn't just hang out in the paint...
This post was edited on 5/10/16 at 11:08 pm
Posted by eyeran
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:08 pm to
The guys from the mid-80s and earlier are FOS when they talk about how physical the game was. Yes, there were absolutely more hard fouls. When guys wanted to get rough they could HAMMER guys. But play in, play out, the game was not nearly as physical as they make it out to be.

Watch point guards like Magic back their way down court almost all the way to the FT line before even getting touched. Big men would could basically post under the rim without much resistance. Guys sagged 5ft off of shooters. Guys with any kind of jumper these days get picked up at almost half court.

Defensive became MUCH more off an emphasis in the late 80s, through the 90s. Detroit, then later Riley's Knicks/Heat basically made the game unwatchable. Every bucket was a chore. NBA Finals games struggling to get to 80 points.

Todays game looks much closer to 80s with the addition of the 3 point shot. Still not as fast though
Posted by hogNsinceReagan
Fayetteville, Ar
Member since Feb 2015
5879 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:08 pm to
I just read on ESPN that Kenny interviewed for the Houston job today... no joke.
This post was edited on 5/10/16 at 11:09 pm
Posted by eyeran
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2007
22096 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:13 pm to
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What do you mean "don't have to worry about 3 second violations"? They had to actively guard a man back then so they couldn't just hang out in the paint...
Big men didn't guard him...so yeah theyd hang in the paint.

If he was playing in that era, he'd a have a big on his team planted in the paint, with that big's defender waiting to hammer Curry if he drove past his man.
Posted by NOLA Bronco
Member since Dec 2014
1898 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:15 pm to
Restricted area, three second violations. they didn't exist until the late 90's. Yes you had to guard your man or the ball but it was an inside out game. Keeping a big near the paint to make life hell for guys at near all times wasnt that hard.
Posted by PortCityTiger24
Member since Dec 2006
87455 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:20 pm to
Glad people got to see Dwight explain where he's coming from.

Earlier this year I said I wanted Houston to keep Dwight, not Harden. That will never happen but I'll always side with Dwight over Harden. You could see Harden pouting in the series against Portland when he was just dumping the ball to the post, but Dwight was dominating. Last year, I said at the beginning of the year that the offense needed to run through Dwight. He was hurt, Harden exploded and from then on Dwight was nothing more than a rebounding defender.

I'll back Harden as long as he's a Rocket, but he's the one riding separately from the team, he's the one giving poor defensive effort, he is the one going to the club after losses, not Dwight.
Posted by RonBurgundy
Whale's Vagina(San Diego)
Member since Oct 2005
13302 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:20 pm to
quote:

WHY THE frick ARE THE SCORING AVERAGES ALMOST IDENTICAL?



Call it a hunch, Grizzly Great, but they probably take more 3s in todays game.
Posted by NOLA Bronco
Member since Dec 2014
1898 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:21 pm to
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The guys from the mid-80s and earlier are FOS when they talk about how physical the game was. Yes, there were absolutely more hard fouls. When guys wanted to get rough they could HAMMER guys. But play in, play out, the game was not nearly as physical as they make it out to be.

Watch point guards like Magic back their way down court almost all the way to the FT line before even getting touched. Big men would could basically post under the rim without much resistance. Guys sagged 5ft off of shooters. Guys with any kind of jumper these days get picked up at almost half court.

Defensive became MUCH more off an emphasis in the late 80s, through the 90s. Detroit, then later Riley's Knicks/Heat basically made the game unwatchable. Every bucket was a chore. NBA Finals games struggling to get to 80 points.

Todays game looks much closer to 80s with the addition of the 3 point shot. Still not as fast though

I agree with the timeline.

The game emphasized different skillsets. Big strong guys that maybe had slow foot speed could make a long career in the league because of the ability to hand check, use forearms and direct players off the ball.

As Doc Rivers said it jokingly:

quote:

"The first year, they took my hand check away," Rivers recalled. "The next year, they took our forearm away. And then, I retired. I was done. I was like, 'I've got to move my feet? I quit. This is no fun anymore.'"


He made a living hand checking, clipping guys off the ball to disrupt their routes, and basically being a bully. It was the kinda getting to the point of the optimization of the rule sets of that day being maximized. Guys before weren't quite there in understanding how to bend the rules to their advantage but it was still physical.

Personally I like the game today more. There is more strategy and it is more exciting. I wouldn't mind a bit of tinkering back away from being so guard friendly but I can manage.
This post was edited on 5/10/16 at 11:24 pm
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