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re: UPDATE in OP: Any baseball umpires here or baseball rules experts?
Posted on 6/21/13 at 10:06 am to choupiquesushi
Posted on 6/21/13 at 10:06 am to choupiquesushi
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they go one base...
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Posted on 6/21/13 at 10:07 am to colorchangintiger
In this situation the runner isn't forced to advance I don't believe. Only in a situation like runners on 1st and 2nd and the ball strikes the runner from 2nd to third. The runner on first still advances because he is forced to advance.
This post was edited on 6/21/13 at 10:08 am
Posted on 6/21/13 at 10:07 am to choupiquesushi
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1. runners forced to advance, advance on batted ball hitting a runner or someone standing on base(except for infield fly).... the runner that touches the ball - is out then yes it is a a dead ball - but any runner forced advances....
I believe this is correct... UNLESS it was a potential double play situation, then the umpire could call the batter-runner and the nearest baserunner out.
Like, say the bases are loaded with less than two outs, and the batter hits a little dribbler, and decides to kick it so that they are out but the runner at third scores forced. The umpire could rule it intentional and call them both out.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 10:08 am to LSUBoo
quote:Because the batter is out, this isn't forced and the runners return to their original base.
Like, say the bases are loaded with less than two outs, and the batter hits a little dribbler, and decides to kick it so that they are out but the runner at third scores forced.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 10:08 am to WDE24
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1. runners forced to advance, advance on batted ball hitting a runner or someone standing on base(except for infield fly).... the runner that touches the ball - is out then yes it is a a dead ball - but any runner forced advances....
Actually, I believe this is actually correct, but the runner on first is not forced to advance because the batter is out.
I have seen this before.. and the runner at FIRST is forced once the ball is put into fair play and is a fair ball... he is advanced to second.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 10:09 am to oldcharlie8
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they go one base...
so, let me ask this now: if the bases are juiced, and the batter runs into the ball, you are saying that it's a dead ball but the run STILL scores? that's not right, imo
Posted on 6/21/13 at 10:09 am to choupiquesushi
quote:I am pretty sure that is wrong. A forced situation would be if the ball struck a lead runner. The batter continues to first and any runner on first would be forced to second even with the dead ball.
and the runner at FIRST is forced once the ball is put into fair play and is a fair ball... he is advanced to second.
I'm not an expert, I could be wrong, but I don't think I am.
This post was edited on 6/21/13 at 10:11 am
Posted on 6/21/13 at 10:10 am to choupiquesushi
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I have seen this before.. and the runner at FIRST is forced once the ball is put into fair play and is a fair ball... he is advanced to second
Wrong
Posted on 6/21/13 at 10:12 am to oldcharlie8
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so, let me ask this now: if the bases are juiced, and the batter runs into the ball, you are saying that it's a dead ball but the run STILL scores? that's not right, imo
correct.... I have seen this happen with a friend of mine coaching and he made a complete fool of himself.. with me texting him.. that the call was right..
I would love to see this happen in an LSU game to hear JH try to figure that call out.. like strike three hitting batter last week...
Posted on 6/21/13 at 10:13 am to Brinner
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I have seen this before.. and the runner at FIRST is forced once the ball is put into fair play and is a fair ball... he is advanced to second
Wrong
go read the rules.... cite rule....
care to wager?
Posted on 6/21/13 at 10:14 am to choupiquesushi
quote:Read it, the disagreement comes in the interpretation you are giving to a forced runner advancing. Once the batter is out, the ball is dead and the other runners aren't forced.
go read the rules
A forced runner situation would be where the batter isn't out, but a baserunner is due to be struck by the ball.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 10:14 am to choupiquesushi
just because you saw it happen, doesn't make it right.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 10:16 am to Brinner
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just because you saw it happen, doesn't make it right.
I have coached a game or two... I have also called a game or two.... I have also read the rule book from cover to cover...
just because you say it's wrong doesn't make it wrong....
Posted on 6/21/13 at 10:16 am to choupiquesushi
i dont need the rules. Its common sense think about it. Most baseball rules are common sense.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 10:17 am to choupiquesushi
quote:Same rule would have applied had Rodrigues been struck with his own batted ball. Interference, Jeter returns to first. You are misinterpreting the forced to advance phrasing of the rule.
On October 19, 2004 in game six of the 2004 American League Championship Series, Alex Rodriguez of the New York Yankees intentionally swatted the arm of Boston Red Sox pitcher Bronson Arroyo, who was attempting to tag Rodríguez out. The ball came loose, initially enabling Rodríguez to advance and the previous runner Derek Jeter to score. The play originally stood but on appeal, Rodríguez was ruled out on the interference and Jeter returned to first, under the general definition of the rule above.
This post was edited on 6/21/13 at 10:19 am
Posted on 6/21/13 at 10:19 am to WDE24
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Read it, the disagreement comes in the interpretation you are giving to a forced runner advancing. Once the batter is out, the ball is dead and the other runners aren't forced.
prior to the batter being called out - the runner is forced....
I just asked a local HS ump.. knowing my son had a game last night... and him knowing the crew..
"please god tell me they didn't have this happen...."
I saw one a while back.. where... there was some infield confusion.. kids all over the place.. runner going to third.. NOBODY on defense NEAR 3rd.. SS had ball chasing runner NO chance at catching him... CHUNKS ball hits runner in back.. he falls down.. SS fetches ball and tags him....
Posted on 6/21/13 at 10:24 am to choupiquesushi
so why when a runner is on first and a ball is hit to the first baseman who steps on bag then throws to second does he has to tag him?
Posted on 6/21/13 at 10:25 am to choupiquesushi
quote:Nope. Once the batter is out there is no force situation. I gave you an example of it happening in mlb.
prior to the batter being called out - the runner is forced....
Posted on 6/21/13 at 10:28 am to WDE24
It's the first fricking rule about a batter becoming a runner.
As soon as the ball is in fair play he's a runner and the runner at first is forced to advance.
quote:
6.09 The batter becomes a runner when—
(a) He hits a fair ball
As soon as the ball is in fair play he's a runner and the runner at first is forced to advance.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 10:30 am to LSUBoo
quote:Except when the runner going to first is out, then he isn't forced. Just as if the catcher had picked the ball up and tagged the runner going to first, the runner on first is no longer forced to second.
As soon as the ball is in fair play he's a runner and the runner at first is forced to advance.
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