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re: UFC 316, omalley vs merab 2, pena vs harrison

Posted on 6/4/25 at 4:27 pm to
Posted by diat150
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Posted on 6/4/25 at 4:27 pm to
So everyone was great until they met mcgregor…. But you don’t give mcgregor the same courtesy when he started losing. It was clear that mcgregor wasn’t the same guy anymore after he came back from the mayweather bout. The poirier fights were post prime mcgregor. The first matchup he made Dustin look like an amateur. He also made eddy look like an amateur. The difference with Nate was that he has a granite chin, but Conor adjusted in the 2nd fight and very narrowly won the decision.
Posted by PeteRose
Hall of Fame
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Posted on 6/4/25 at 4:30 pm to
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What evidence do you have that the UFC doesn't like Merab?


The fact that he needed 10 wins in a row (beating the likes of Yan, Cejudo, Aldo, Moraes) for a title shot while Chito Vera jumps the line after beating Pedro Munoz. Merab is the Belal of BW. While he is champ, ufc will put on a smiley face but they are waiting for someone to dethrone him.
Posted by Dantheman504
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Posted on 6/4/25 at 4:39 pm to
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So everyone was great until they met mcgregor….


No they were already on the way down, but that's a great bullshite defense to his legacy.. Perfect fights for the guy they wanted to continue winning and grow their markets.

You are missing my point that his legacy is beating 2 mediocre guys and 2 aging guys in an overall mediocre weight class while simultaneously avoiding the 2 best competitors....

His fight vs Khabib was the funniest thing ever because so many people were convinced Connor was this untouchable goat and I knew he was going to get his arse kicked from the start. Because he only fought people worse than him. (And because of fighting style)

Is that all his fault? No not really, you didn't have the level of competition today and the UFC clearly gave him fights that he'd have an edge, other than the 1 guy on his level and the 2 guys also in their prime. Which proves my point because he went a combined (2-4)...

It hurts people so much to admit that McGregor was a great exciting fighter who was highly overrated.

I like McGregor as a whole but absolutely hate how much people talk him up when its really not that impressive of a career.
This post was edited on 6/4/25 at 4:41 pm
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
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Posted on 6/4/25 at 4:42 pm to
Part of it is that aljo was champ and they didn’t want to fight each other … Dana made a big deal about it but I don’t remember anyone in ufc history having to fight a best friend and training partner for a belt before.

Some guys just have to force the issue to get a shot and some get bad breaks along the way.

Look at Tony Ferguson with a 12 fight win streak. Merab, Belal, armen, movsar, and some others I am forgetting sometimes the ufc doesn’t want to push you and sometimes it’s bad breaks and timing along with that. I def think the ufc would prefer omalley to be champ… but merab seems popular with the fans despite not being the most exciting fighter.
This post was edited on 6/4/25 at 4:43 pm
Posted by shutterspeed
MS Gulf Coast
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 6/4/25 at 4:48 pm to
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The UFC doesn’t like merab. If the fight is close, they might give it to O’Malley.


The UFC doesn’t have any input on how a fight is judged, and Merab has worked his way into a fan favorite now.
This post was edited on 6/4/25 at 4:49 pm
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
47264 posts
Posted on 6/4/25 at 4:49 pm to
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You are missing my point that his legacy is beating 2 mediocre guys and 2 aging guys in an overall mediocre weight class while simultaneously avoiding the 2 best competitors....


He beat Aldo who was considered then and now one of the best to ever do it. He beat poirier who not only was a very good fighter at 145, but an interim champ at 155 and a lock for the hall of fame. He beat max who is top 3 145er and one of the best to do it and lock for the hall of fame. He destroyed Eddie who is a hall of famer and one of the best to ever do it.


Who did he run from? What you are saying is silly to be honest.
Posted by Dantheman504
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Posted on 6/4/25 at 4:56 pm to
Aldo and Eddie were not in their prime or at their best. If the Aldo fight lasted until a decision instead of 13 seconds then part of his legacy would probably be different. I'll give him credit it was badass and im not trying to take his success away from him, but its definitely over exaggerated.

The Porier and Max fights were early in his career in which he got beat by Porier twice late in his career. Max is my all time favorite fighter and that's who I wish he had a rematch against over anyone else.

Max Holloway is a perfect example because as much respect people give him they will never put him on a pedestal like Mcgregor when he's 10x more deserving.

McGregor would never have the balls to fight Poirier/ Diaz 3 times if he lost twice.
This post was edited on 6/4/25 at 5:27 pm
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
47264 posts
Posted on 6/4/25 at 5:01 pm to
It’s just weird that you make excuses for everyone else but hold mcgregor to a different standard.

Max is an all time great, but he pulled out of a fight against Khabib for the belt then lost to Dustin for the interim belt. He was never able to get his lightweight belt from volk and also got koed by Topuria. So he isn’t held as high because he wasn’t as acccomplished.


He didn’t have to fight Dustin or Diaz but he fought both in rematches.
This post was edited on 6/4/25 at 5:03 pm
Posted by Dantheman504
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Posted on 6/4/25 at 5:37 pm to
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Max is an all time great, but he pulled out of a fight against Khabib for the belt then lost to Dustin for the interim belt. He was never able to get his lightweight belt from volk and also got koed by Topuria. So he isn’t held as high because he wasn’t as acccomplished.



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It’s just weird that you make excuses for everyone else but hold mcgregor to a different standard


I'm not making excuses for Max. Connor never fought anyone like Topuria or Volk and probably wouldn't fight them anyway because it would ruin his overrated legacy.

McGregor held the Featherweight title for 350 days and the Lightweight title for 511 days, during which he did not defend either.

Holloway defended his belt 3 times and then fought fricking Volk/ Topuria 4 more times to try and win it back.

So Max gets punished for not being a giant pussy like Connor who disappeared after he fought 1 person on his level? What a fricking legacy... He didn't really have anything to prove when everyone crowned him king for doing absolutely nothing already.

Max has a (13) fight win streak vs Connor's (7) and then continued to compete against the best of the best after his prime while Connor wouldn't even fight the best of the best in his prime.

So yeah I will hold McGregor to a higher standard only to prove that he shouldn't be held at a higher standard at all and his whole legacy is overrated. He was a great fighter for just being a pretty good fighter.

Its not even a comparison of who should get more respect and viewed more highly and yet here we are which is exactly the reasoning for the conversation.

The only Hall of Fame the dude really deserves is legit because of his actual fame and the attention he brought and not because of some crazy legacy where he was just so good and dominant. Sorry
This post was edited on 6/4/25 at 5:48 pm
Posted by Dantheman504
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Posted on 6/4/25 at 5:53 pm to
In the future people will talk about how guys like Khabib, John Jones, etc match up vs other future stars. McGregor probably gets the shite beat out of by most of those future guys in the top 5 consecutively and isn't even in those conversations. Max probably won't be in those conversations either but atleast people aren't acting like he should be.

Its one of the most embarrassing legacies I've ever seen from an athlete viewed as highly as McGrgeor.
Posted by PeteRose
Hall of Fame
Member since Aug 2014
17877 posts
Posted on 6/4/25 at 6:19 pm to
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So Max gets punished for not being a giant pussy


Except Max did chickened out when ilia told him to meet in the center. And ilia kept saying many times before the fight that he was going to point to the center. As a BMF champ, you can’t back down from that public challenge.
Posted by shutterspeed
MS Gulf Coast
Member since May 2007
70804 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 6:47 pm to
Anyone check out a numbered card at a movie theater? A local cinema has been showing them and I've been curious what it's like to watch in that kind of setting. Saturday's card is just interesting enough that I think I'm going finally pull the trigger.
Posted by TackySweater
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 6/5/25 at 6:58 pm to
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Anyone check out a numbered card at a movie theater? A local cinema has been showing them and I've been curious what it's like to watch in that kind of setting. Saturday's card is just interesting enough that I think I'm going finally pull the trigger.

I can’t see how this wouldn’t be awesome. Alcohol sold there?
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
47264 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 8:21 pm to
A few cities have that awesome style theater with the special cameras. I’d love to do one of those. A theater would be cool especially if the card delivers.
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
47264 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 10:28 pm to
Posted by shutterspeed
MS Gulf Coast
Member since May 2007
70804 posts
Posted on 6/6/25 at 9:32 am to
Consummate professional, Kayla Harrison made weight. Now get on that refeed and frick some shite up.

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Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 6/6/25 at 9:41 am to
Me too!
Posted by TigerNutts
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2011
2706 posts
Posted on 6/6/25 at 9:48 am to
Absolute warrior to make this weight. That being said I am sick of seeing it. No athlete should look emaciated like that and then have to compete in this particular brutal sport.
Posted by Big Fat Guy
Member since Nov 2020
1119 posts
Posted on 6/6/25 at 10:40 am to
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Absolute warrior to make this weight. That being said I am sick of seeing it. No athlete should look emaciated like that and then have to compete in this particular brutal sport.
It is obviously the most unhealthy, dangerous and inhumane thing, and yet everyone is like, well, it sucks but there's not really a better way.

It's impressive that Julianna has accomplished as much as she has. She doesn't move her head at all, and she looks way less physically flexible than most athletes. Her legs are kind of stiff in a weird way. Lacks agility.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
36495 posts
Posted on 6/6/25 at 10:50 am to
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Anyone check out a numbered card at a movie theater? A local cinema has been showing them and I've been curious what it's like to watch in that kind of setting. Saturday's card is just interesting enough that I think I'm going finally pull the trigger.

My neighbor and I have gone to several. We both have young kids and it gets us out of the house, and is cheaper than one of us buying it and then having to worry about waking up the kids if something exciting happens.
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