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re: UFC 158 Georges St-Pierre vs. Nick Diaz

Posted on 3/17/13 at 12:00 am to
Posted by USMC Gators
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Posted on 3/17/13 at 12:00 am to


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Posted by StraightCashHomey21
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Posted on 3/17/13 at 12:01 am to
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But Diaz won round 3 right? Just let me know who's scorecard was right and who's wasn't. I'm done here.



they could have for sure given it to diaz, the judges dont always get it right like in one of the prelims
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
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Posted on 3/17/13 at 12:02 am to
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3rd could have gone either way


exaclty gsp dominated the first two, in the 3rd nick got his shite together and stopped the take downs an cut gsp, the last two gsp did nothing great
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Posted by lsu223
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Posted on 3/17/13 at 12:03 am to
50-45 was the right score.

GSP is a finisher though guys
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 3/17/13 at 12:03 am to
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I guess we aren't acknowledging that GSP's last finish was against BJ.....over four years ago.

Heck, he couldn't even finish Dan Hardy.


Then why doesn't someone step up and finish him?

The guy isn't the most exciting by any means but credit given where credit is due. If he's winning then not much you can argue about whether he's finishing guys. He's still controlling them for 5 rounds in a fairly dominant fashion.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
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Posted on 3/17/13 at 12:03 am to
GSP is my favorite fighter, but even I am getting frustrated with his lack of finishing. He's not even trying to hurt his opponent.

He throws every punch with like 50% power. It's fine to do that to set up the power shots, but he does it just to score points.

Even on the ground.

He hardly postures up, and doesn't even throw many elbows. He's just fighting for position the entire time.

I can understand not trying to submit Diaz, but he's GOT to at least try to land a hard punch. He doesn't throw combinations, either.

He minimizes risk to the point of reducing his own ability to do damage to zero.
Posted by Bho
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Posted on 3/17/13 at 12:04 am to
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yea thats why no one in here is agreeing with you, go troll elsewhere



Yeah this fight wasn't an arse whipping, but GSP clearly won 1 and 2 and pretty much did as he pleased. At no point did Diaz look like he won anything. GSP put it on cruise control. It sucks that these big fights aren't better. I used to watch every PPV, but they just aren't as good. I feel like the under cards have produced a lot of the better finishes. Silva is the same way. Early on he'd just go crazy. Now he wins the first couple of rounds and rides it out. I don't know if that's changed a lot, since I'm just a casual observer at this point.
Posted by lsu223
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Posted on 3/17/13 at 12:05 am to
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The guy isn't the most exciting by any means but credit given where credit is due. If he's winning then not much you can argue about whether he's finishing guys. He's still controlling them for 5 rounds in a fairly dominant fashion.


I give GSP full credit and I respect what he does. I'm only frustrated because I think he could be finishing some of these fights, but there seems to have been a conscious decision to fight conservatively and collect wins. I'm not saying it's easy to do what he does, I just wish he would try to do more.

At 170, GSP can do this as long as he wants and go undefeated.
Posted by lsu223
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Posted on 3/17/13 at 12:05 am to
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GSP is my favorite fighter, but even I am getting frustrated with his lack of finishing. He's not even trying to hurt his opponent.

He throws every punch with like 50% power. It's fine to do that to set up the power shots, but he does it just to score points.

Even on the ground.

He hardly postures up, and doesn't even throw many elbows. He's just fighting for position the entire time.

I can understand not trying to submit Diaz, but he's GOT to at least try to land a hard punch. He doesn't throw combinations, either.

He minimizes risk to the point of reducing his own ability to do damage to zero.


+1
Posted by PrimeTime Money
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 3/17/13 at 12:08 am to
And it's frustrating because he used to try to hurt his opponent, even with the same style he implements now.

So we all know he has the ability.

He purposely chooses not to land hard shots. And that is what is frustrating. He used to beat people's asses.

Now he's just content to win a decision without doing much of anything.
Posted by lsu223
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Posted on 3/17/13 at 12:09 am to
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He purposely chooses not to land hard shots. And that is what is frustrating. He used to beat people's asses.

Now he's just content to win a decision without doing much of anything.


Thank Greg Jackson.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 3/17/13 at 12:10 am to
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Thank Greg Jackson.
Greg Jackson isn't even in his corner anymore.

I don't even think he trains there at all.

He's exclusively with Tri Star.
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 3/17/13 at 12:10 am to
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GSP is my favorite fighter, but even I am getting frustrated with his lack of finishing. He's not even trying to hurt his opponent.


Meh. This fight was about as predictable as they come. Even 20 something of the 30 or so "experts" sherdog polled said GSP by decision.

GSP wasn't going to try and finish Diaz. Diaz's only way to win was a sub or knockout. No in MMA around 170lbs stands a chance against GSP's completely dominant wrestling. It has been the same story for years and it won't change. GSP fights smart and does the "lay and pray" better than anyone in the history of MMA.

He has about accomplished all he can at 170 IMO though. No one is going to beat him as long as he sticks to his gameplan. Not now, not next year, not 3 years from now.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126745 posts
Posted on 3/17/13 at 12:10 am to
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He purposely chooses not to land hard shots. And that is what is frustrating. He used to beat people's asses.

Now he's just content to win a decision without doing much of anything.



the koscheck fight was the last time i can say he was trying to crush his opponent
Posted by Shoulderchoke
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Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 3/17/13 at 12:12 am to
I think the most frustrating thing about GSP is that we all know how awesome and exciting he can be, he just choses the easy way.
I can't say that I blame him, but it definitely difficult to watch over and over again.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126745 posts
Posted on 3/17/13 at 12:12 am to
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No in MMA around 170lbs stands a chance against GSP's completely dominant wrestling. It has been the same story for years and it won't change. GSP fights smart and does the "lay and pray" better than anyone in the history of MMA.


thats true but diaz bjj def kept him from getting his arse beat like one poster keeps saying happened
Posted by Tino
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Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 3/17/13 at 12:13 am to
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I think the most frustrating thing about GSP is that we all know how awesome and exciting he can be, he just choses the easy way.
I can't say that I blame him, but it definitely difficult to watch over and over again.


well said
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
28010 posts
Posted on 3/17/13 at 12:13 am to
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the koscheck fight was the last time i can say he was trying to crush his opponent
Even then he wasn't really.

He had a nice jab that closed Koscheck's eye.

He had many opportunities to really hurt Koscheck, but he chose to sit back and land safe jabs.

The last good fight he had in my opinion was against Alves at UFC 100.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126745 posts
Posted on 3/17/13 at 12:15 am to
until he takes an L he wont have that fire back
Posted by Shoulderchoke
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Posted on 3/17/13 at 12:16 am to
At this point ill pretty much root for anyone against GSP.
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