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re: UFC 155 - Cigano vs. Brown Pride (for the HW Belt & Baddest Man on the Planet!!)
Posted on 12/30/12 at 12:08 am to USMC Gators
Posted on 12/30/12 at 12:08 am to USMC Gators
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And let's not kid ourselves, Brock wasn't the same fighter after diverticulitis nearly killed him.
I disagree. I think Cain beats Brock regardless. Hell I bet on Cain to beat Brock when they fought.
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Posted on 12/30/12 at 12:09 am to Patrick_Bateman
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Ummm. . . no. Cain's strategy from tonight would work just as well against Overeem, and Overeem isn't the fighter JDS is.
Cain >
Overeem would quit and wilt and not try to keep going like JDS did tonight. I can't wait to see JDS and Cain fight again. That pace was the craziest I've ever seen for a heavyweight fight.
Posted on 12/30/12 at 12:09 am to tigerpimpbot
Overeem will forget where he is fighting and soccer kick him to death
Posted on 12/30/12 at 12:10 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
quote:agree with all of this
JDS really got hurt early. He showed a lot to tough it out 5 rounds IMO.
Wrestler > striker most of the time. With Cain's gas tank, he is just tough to beat. He may rule the HW division for a bit now. I see the exact same thing happening in a Cain v JDS 3. I think the first fight was the exception.
Posted on 12/30/12 at 12:11 am to UFownstSECsince1950
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JDS really got hurt early. He showed a lot to tough it out 5 rounds IMO.
Wrestler > striker most of the time. With Cain's gas tank, he is just tough to beat. He may rule the HW division for a bit now. I see the exact same thing happening in a Cain v JDS 3. I think the first fight was the exception.
Jon Jones might be rethinking about joining the heavies seeing what Cain did tonight.
Posted on 12/30/12 at 12:11 am to KingwoodLsuFan
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That pace was the craziest I've ever seen for a heavyweight fight.
I agree though I expect a similar result. Haven't seen that type of sustained pace in the HW division in many years. Since some of the Pride Grand Prix's and those were with smaller men on average (less than 240).
Posted on 12/30/12 at 12:11 am to KingwoodLsuFan
quote:this. Overeem is soft and will quit, just like his brother. No doubt he's a great striker, but he doesn't have any heart imo
Overeem would quit and wilt and not try to keep going like JDS did tonight.
Posted on 12/30/12 at 12:12 am to KingwoodLsuFan
Bones is not ready for Cain. He would have a LOT better shot vs JDS or Overeem.
Jones is so incredibly talented though, he may be in a few years...
Jones is so incredibly talented though, he may be in a few years...
Posted on 12/30/12 at 12:12 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
I think that if JDS came out with a bit more fire initially and managed to avoid that early overhand right it's a totally different fight, obvious is obvious I know 
So that 3rd fight, who knows...
JDS displayed incredible fight to stick it out and hang in there till the end. Cain most certainly tired out a great deal by the mid 3rd. JDS' take down defense was pretty good all things considered, he didn't keep his hands up and got caught with some very powerful punches. That and JDS didn't really counter or initiate attacks of his own in the stand up. No real knees or leg kicks. Granted he was busted up and extremely tired, so I can understand not risking the stand up leg strikes and getting taken down, but he had a clinch often enough and didn't throw knees.
So that 3rd fight, who knows...
JDS displayed incredible fight to stick it out and hang in there till the end. Cain most certainly tired out a great deal by the mid 3rd. JDS' take down defense was pretty good all things considered, he didn't keep his hands up and got caught with some very powerful punches. That and JDS didn't really counter or initiate attacks of his own in the stand up. No real knees or leg kicks. Granted he was busted up and extremely tired, so I can understand not risking the stand up leg strikes and getting taken down, but he had a clinch often enough and didn't throw knees.
Posted on 12/30/12 at 12:13 am to tigerpimpbot
The only difference in Cain-JDS 2 and Cain-Overeem is that Alistair seems to check out of fights when he starts being over whelmed. I'm a huge AO fan, but there is no part of me that believes he could've made it all five rounds. That said, JDS had a ton of opportunities for knees and never threw any. He had the Muay Thai plum at least 6 times.
Posted on 12/30/12 at 12:17 am to ATLienTiger
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JDS displayed incredible fight to stick it out and hang in there till the end. Cain most certainly tired out a great deal by the mid 3rd. JDS' take down defense was pretty good all things considered, he didn't keep his hands up and got caught with some very powerful punches. That and JDS didn't really counter or initiate attacks of his own in the stand up. No real knees or leg kicks. Granted he was busted up and extremely tired, so I can understand not risking the stand up leg strikes and getting taken down, but he had a clinch often enough and didn't throw knees.
Agree.
JDS was basically just in survival mode after the first round. I remember Rogan or the other guy saying JDS was starting to put something together, and I was like, no he's not, Cain is just slowing down (mid round 3).
I like JDS and would have rather him won. But he just got too much pounded out of him in that 1st round and basically survived and never really threatened afterwards.
Dominant performance by Cain.
Posted on 12/30/12 at 12:17 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Bones is not ready for Cain. He would have a LOT better shot vs JDS or Overeem.
Jones is so incredibly talented though, he may be in a few years...
He might be but Cain takes you out of your comfort zone and doesn't let you fight like you want to. I think to beat Cain you have to hit him with a strong shot early to back him off from constantly punching and taking you down with his extreme pace.
Posted on 12/30/12 at 12:20 am to KingwoodLsuFan
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I think to beat Cain you have to hit him with a strong shot early to back him off from constantly punching and taking you down with his extreme pace.
Yep. Cain just comes at and overwhelms whoever he fights. Against Brock and Silva both it was the same exact thing and a complete arse kicking. Same against JDS, but JDS is a better fighter with better cardio than Brock or Bigfoot, so he survived all 5 rounds. Not something you see often with heavyweights against a fighter that can push a pace like Cain.
This post was edited on 12/30/12 at 12:22 am
Posted on 12/30/12 at 12:35 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
Have to admit I enjoyed that card.
I don't think I have ever seen as many takedown attempts in a HW fight either. May be some sort of UFC record in a HW fight. I don't think JDS's takedown defense was bad either. Cain was just relentless.
I don't think I have ever seen as many takedown attempts in a HW fight either. May be some sort of UFC record in a HW fight. I don't think JDS's takedown defense was bad either. Cain was just relentless.
Posted on 12/30/12 at 12:46 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
Watching post fight presser.
Cain broke JDS's jaw.
JDS is going to be out for a while now.
Cain broke JDS's jaw.
JDS is going to be out for a while now.
Posted on 12/30/12 at 12:47 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
How did his right eye look? The amount of fluid over that thing was damn near the size of a balloon.
Posted on 12/30/12 at 12:49 am to ATLienTiger
Dana said JDS looks pretty bad right now.
He hasn't come out for the presser yet.
He hasn't come out for the presser yet.
Posted on 12/30/12 at 12:57 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
Cain is at the presser now.
I am thinking JDS may be on the way to the hospital to get his jaw set and wired shut.
Happened in 2nd round.
ETA: Dana corrects and said JDS's jaw "may" be broken. He isn't sure.
I am thinking JDS may be on the way to the hospital to get his jaw set and wired shut.
Happened in 2nd round.
ETA: Dana corrects and said JDS's jaw "may" be broken. He isn't sure.
This post was edited on 12/30/12 at 1:01 am
Posted on 12/30/12 at 1:55 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
Watching the replay, this Miller/Lauson fight is Bruuuuuuutal.
Fight of the year candidate imo.
Fight of the year candidate imo.
Posted on 12/30/12 at 2:16 am to UFownstSECsince1950
Here we go typical overreaction to good win 
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