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re: Troy Polamalu keeps making his case
Posted on 1/18/11 at 3:55 pm to blueboy
Posted on 1/18/11 at 3:55 pm to blueboy
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Question: if you were forced to line one of the two up at DE for an entire game, whose chances at success would you like better?
this is one of the most ridiculous questions ever asked on this website
if you were to line either up at CB, which would you choose? OOOOOH, OWNED
and fwiw, reed is an accomplished punt blocker
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To me, TP possesses the kind of universal applicability
except in pass coverage
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See how fast he can cover the field, adjust to the offense, change positions and scare the hell out of the offense
Reed does this
Reed takes away 1/2 of the passing field
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Posted on 1/18/11 at 3:56 pm to blueboy
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I'd expect a FS to have better pass defense stats,
reed isn't exactly behind in tackles
Posted on 1/18/11 at 3:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
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reed is an accomplished punt blocker
TP is an accomplished ninja.
Posted on 1/18/11 at 3:57 pm to blueboy
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Is my point really that hard to understand? Guess so.
How many times has he lined up at NT? He's a great player indeed but this going a little to far.
Posted on 1/18/11 at 3:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
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reed isn't exactly behind in tackles
Reed has 496 tackles in 128 games. TP has 516 in 107, so yes he is behind in tackles. Even with playing 21 more games.
Posted on 1/18/11 at 4:03 pm to KillerNut9
it's a 16 game disparity...they were drafted a year apart...injuries are part of the game...in fact ed reed leads polamalu in solo tackles...Troy p. racks up alot of assists.
Posted on 1/18/11 at 4:05 pm to DelU249
and it's not that far behind...
you're just a fricking homer, you bring nothing to this conversation.
far behind would be 1,400 return yards to 400...54 ints to 27...that's far behind
you're just a fricking homer, you bring nothing to this conversation.
far behind would be 1,400 return yards to 400...54 ints to 27...that's far behind
This post was edited on 1/18/11 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 1/18/11 at 4:08 pm to DelU249
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it's a 16 game disparity
nope, it's 21
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injuries are part of the game
no shite sherlock, but it's hard to record tackles when you're on the sideline in a street clothes
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in fact ed reed leads polamalu in solo tackles
by 18 with 21 more games played
Posted on 1/18/11 at 4:10 pm to DelU249
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and it's not that far behind...
you're just a fricking homer, you bring nothing to this conversation.
Considering Troy makes anywhere from 65-95 tackles when playing a full season, yes it is far behind.
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you're just a fricking homer, you bring nothing to this conversation.
BOOM you got me. I bring logical points, which you don't.
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far behind would be 1,400 return yards to 400...54 ints to 27...that's far behind
I've already admitted Reed is the better pass defender.
Posted on 1/18/11 at 4:14 pm to KillerNut9
Did anyone mention ed reed? I think he is a better defender, fwiw. 
Posted on 1/18/11 at 4:29 pm to DelU249
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ed reed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Troy Pol.
i think it's arguable. I love both of them, but Troy P is the epitome of "ball hawk" and he just seems to possess this magic quality to move to the ball faster than he should be allowed to run. He also likes to hit and stop the run when needed.
Posted on 1/18/11 at 5:00 pm to blueboy
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As the best I've ever seen. His shocking, bounding quickness, lightning reflexes and instinct are unmatched in any defender in the league, and his ability to play pretty much any position on defense is rare and infinitely impressive
Troy is a great safety who does seem to always be around the ball, but you tend to exagerate especially when saying he can line up at any position
When has he ever done this? He is just a safety the Dick Lebeau likes to bring up to the line of scrimmage frequently.
I guarentee you troy would not hold up playing corner or LB
Posted on 1/18/11 at 5:19 pm to LSUnowhas2
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Do the statistics support that?
Yep.
Posted on 1/18/11 at 5:20 pm to KillerNut9
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Reed has 496 tackles in 128 games. TP has 516 in 107, so yes he is behind in tackles. Even with playing 21 more games.
I would hope so. He's a strong saftey...
Posted on 1/18/11 at 5:43 pm to KillerNut9
ok...we'll try it this way
Troy P. averages 4.8 tackles per game
Ed Reed averages 3.9 tackles per game
not really far behind
Ed Reed averages .421 INTs per game
Troy P. averages .25 Ints per game
that's far behind. Interceptions and Touchdowns are often more valuable than tackles and net turnovers has an incredibly high correlation to winning and losing.
8 touchdowns to 3 is far behind
Furthermore, the 21 games that Troy P. missed is an opportunity cost. 21 games he could have been there to make a difference, do something special...and he could not. Ed Reed has missed fewer games in more opportunities...so you saying that he is on the bench unable to accumulate stats...thats the point...another reason ed reed is superior.
Moreover, you pointing out Troy's injuries and how the steelers performed does not establish a correlation (at least a significant one)or causality. It's the NFL...the same team that won the super bowl the prior year can miss the playoffs even if they are healthy...maybe Troy P. is the reason, but you can't prove it. You can not differentiate between causation and coincidence...
Ed Reed is the superior player
Troy P. averages 4.8 tackles per game
Ed Reed averages 3.9 tackles per game
not really far behind
Ed Reed averages .421 INTs per game
Troy P. averages .25 Ints per game
that's far behind. Interceptions and Touchdowns are often more valuable than tackles and net turnovers has an incredibly high correlation to winning and losing.
8 touchdowns to 3 is far behind
Furthermore, the 21 games that Troy P. missed is an opportunity cost. 21 games he could have been there to make a difference, do something special...and he could not. Ed Reed has missed fewer games in more opportunities...so you saying that he is on the bench unable to accumulate stats...thats the point...another reason ed reed is superior.
Moreover, you pointing out Troy's injuries and how the steelers performed does not establish a correlation (at least a significant one)or causality. It's the NFL...the same team that won the super bowl the prior year can miss the playoffs even if they are healthy...maybe Troy P. is the reason, but you can't prove it. You can not differentiate between causation and coincidence...
Ed Reed is the superior player
This post was edited on 1/18/11 at 5:47 pm
Posted on 1/18/11 at 5:47 pm to blueboy
Bob Sanders>>>Ed Reed>>Troy Palamalu
Posted on 1/18/11 at 5:52 pm to Michael J Cocks
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epitome of "ball hawk" and he just seems to possess this magic quality to move to the ball faster than he should be allowed to run.
that kind of speech sounds great, but this means nothing...it is a way for people to make a player or person better than they are...there is no magic...there is no "ball hawk" he is a great player, but of a lesser caliber than Ed Reed
i hate lebron
Posted on 1/18/11 at 5:57 pm to DelU249
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that kind of speech sounds great, but this means nothing...it is a way for people to make a player or person better than they are...there is no magic...there is no "ball hawk" he is a great player, but of a lesser caliber than Ed Reed
i hate lebron
OK, simple question. How shitty is Pittsburgh's D without Troy P? He is a huge difference maker in so many ways.
Posted on 1/18/11 at 5:58 pm to blueboy
i seriously believe troy polamalu is the best football player in the game today. i have said it all season and he continues to impress me with his impact on the football field.
ed reed is not better than troy polamalu.
ed reed is not better than troy polamalu.
Posted on 1/18/11 at 6:01 pm to DelU249
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You can not differentiate between causation and coincidence
During the last two seasons, the Steelers are 14-4 when Polamalu plays but 5-7 when he doesn't. I guess it's just a coinicidence?
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