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Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:00 am to Salmon
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:00 am to Salmon
The fact that the call could have clearly gone either way, as by the letter of the rule book, that just shouldn't be overturned. It's their own fault for having vague rules. The argument can be made that he made a football move. That's all you need to uphold the call on the field.
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Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:02 am to NorthGAVol
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Dez getting tangled up after he's made two steps and maintained control of the football with both hands.
uh no, he bobbles the ball during those 2 steps, that is obvious
then he trips over the defender, his elbow hits, and he loses the ball
I have no agenda. I don't give a shite about the NFL.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:02 am to BayouBengals03
From rule on NFL.com the player does not even actually have to make the move but hold ball long enough to have made one.
If this is still part of rule exactly how much time must pass?
With Dez's catch how much time passed after his second foot touched ground?
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...(c) maintains control of the ball long enough, after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, to enable him to perform any act common to the game (i.e., maintaining control long enough to pitch it, pass it, advance with it, or avoid or ward off an opponent, etc.).
Note 1: It is not necessary that he commit such an act, provided that he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so.
If this is still part of rule exactly how much time must pass?
With Dez's catch how much time passed after his second foot touched ground?
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:04 am to Salmon
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same as last weeks call for Dallas
if they never throw the flag or keep the flag, not much controversy
I agree. It was a bad decision last week, just as it was this week:
Neither team lost the game because of one call, though. Detroit had their chances to win afterwards, and Dallas had their chances yesterday.
Botching the end of the 1st half, the Murray fumble, not getting off the field on 3rd and long countless times...
Make no mistake, Dallas lost the game on many other plays. And the way Green Bay was moving the ball, I would have expected them to go down and score even if the Cowboys scored on their last drive.
This is about that single call being overturned, for me. I'm not arguing that the Cowboys would have won the game or if they deserved to win the game. They screwed themselves for even needing a late drive for the win against that Green Bay team yesterday; with Rodgers being hurt.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:05 am to dallastigers
The rule book is on our side. I know that much.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:06 am to Salmon
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then he trips over the defender, his elbow hits, and he loses the ball
He trips over defender then left foot touches ground again and then right hand touches ground then right forearm & elbow touch ground before left hand with ball touches ground (while hand was also moving forward out and away from body towards goal line).
This post was edited on 1/12/15 at 11:11 am
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:08 am to dallastigers
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then left foot touches ground again and then right hand touches ground then right forearm & elbow touch ground before left hand with ball touches ground (while moving forward out and away from body).
ok..
and if he maintained ball control it would have been a hell of a catch
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:13 am to NorthGAVol
How anyone can watch that replay and not think Dez was reaching for the goal line is beyond me.
If he wasn't he would have just tucked the ball away.
Also, he did bobble the ball for a split second when the defender got his hand on it. However, he also got two feet down after getting control.
ETA: Also, could tripping have been called?
If he wasn't he would have just tucked the ball away.
Also, he did bobble the ball for a split second when the defender got his hand on it. However, he also got two feet down after getting control.
ETA: Also, could tripping have been called?
This post was edited on 1/12/15 at 11:14 am
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:13 am to NorthGAVol
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What? The ball never once bobbled until he hit the ground..
not bobbled...but the defender hit the ball when Bryant first caught and dislodged it for a half second before he came down
and where in the world are you people getting 3 steps from?
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:14 am to NorthGAVol
The ball def moves when the defender gets his hand on it
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:15 am to TigerBait1127
The ball does move. He still gets 2 feet down afterwards, though.
He never gets three feet down, but that's irrelevant.
He never gets three feet down, but that's irrelevant.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:17 am to Salmon
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and where in the world are you people getting 3 steps from?
Watch the vine. He comes down on his left foot with complete control. Takes a step with his right then with his left as he gets tangled up with Shields. It's pretty simple.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:18 am to DelU249
Yes.
Because once he juggled it, he caught it in the end zone before it hit the ground.
So it should have been overruled--as a catch on the 1/2 yard line and instead ruled a touchdown.
Because once he juggled it, he caught it in the end zone before it hit the ground.
So it should have been overruled--as a catch on the 1/2 yard line and instead ruled a touchdown.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:18 am to NorthGAVol
After watching it again, he might have control with his first foot still on the ground.
This post was edited on 1/12/15 at 11:21 am
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:19 am to NorthGAVol
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Watch the vine. He comes down on his left foot with complete control. Takes a step with his right then with his left as he gets tangled up with Shields. It's pretty simple.
right
2 steps
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:20 am to BayouBengals03
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How anyone can watch that replay and not think Dez was reaching for the goal line is beyond me. If he wasn't he would have just tucked the ball away. Also, he did bobble the ball for a split second when the defender got his hand on it. However, he also got two feet down after getting control. ETA: Also, could tripping have been called?
You're actually right about the bobble. It did move around while the defender had a hand on it and Bryant is in the air.
And I brought up the tripping a couple of pages ago in reference to everyone saying Dez was falling the entire time. If Shields doesn't trip him, Dez strolls into the end zone.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:20 am to Salmon
I keep going back and forth on it.
He could have had 3, could have had 2. Just depends on when he got control, which is hard to tell from that angle. I could see it argued either way.
Either way, that's not the real point.
He could have had 3, could have had 2. Just depends on when he got control, which is hard to tell from that angle. I could see it argued either way.
Either way, that's not the real point.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:22 am to NorthGAVol
And the trip looked possibly intentional. However, we can't assume the cornerback's intent.
Just like we can't assume Dez' intent.
So the call should have stood.
Just like we can't assume Dez' intent.
So the call should have stood.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:24 am to BayouBengals03
question:
if the ref that made the call on the field never saw the ball pop out, but once it was clear it did on replay, could he have told the review ref that he never saw the ball come loose
and if that is the case, could that remove the reviews refs "judgment call" over ruling the field refs call?
obviously this is just speculation
if the ref that made the call on the field never saw the ball pop out, but once it was clear it did on replay, could he have told the review ref that he never saw the ball come loose
and if that is the case, could that remove the reviews refs "judgment call" over ruling the field refs call?
obviously this is just speculation
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