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re: The Urban Meyer Situation is NOT a Title IX Issue
Posted on 8/3/18 at 11:51 am to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 8/3/18 at 11:51 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Aware of what?
Information that would lead a reasonable person to believe sexual misconduct may have occurred involving someone covered under the policy, i.e., Zach Smith.
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I'm only adamant that none of us knows what he knew.
I agree.
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Posted on 8/3/18 at 11:57 am to slackster
The 2015 contract is dead you dumb frick, only the 2018 contract applies
You're making my point, Section B, subsection 2 is NOT A REQUIRED DUTY, subsection 1 is "may also" words matter
Not "shall be made" not a required duty
Like Midnight stated, contracts generally are prospective not retroactive unless retroactive language is included, if the prior contract and its accompanying language still governed he would probably be in breach but that contract's dead so now the current contract governs and it explicitly prescribes what he must do in these situations
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B. Location 1. This policy applies to alleged sexual misconduct that takes place on university property or at university sponsored events, regardless of their location. 2. This policy may also apply to alleged sexual misconduct that occur off-campus when the Title IX coordinator or deputy coordinator determines that the alleged off-campus conduct could reasonably create a hostile environment.
You're making my point, Section B, subsection 2 is NOT A REQUIRED DUTY, subsection 1 is "may also" words matter
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I. Reporting Allegations of Sexual Misconduct A. A report can be made by any individual who is directly involved in, who observes, or who reasonably believes that sexual misconduct may have occurred. This includes allegations by third parties against any individual covered by this policy. Members of the university community have a duty to report such information; see Employee Duty to Report section above.
Not "shall be made" not a required duty
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B. The following members of the university community have an additional obligation to report incidents of sexual harassment as well as sexual assault when they become aware of information that would lead a reasonable person to believe that sexual harassment may have occurred involving anyone covered under this policy. These individuals must report the incident within five work days of becoming aware of such information: 1. Any human resource professional (HRP); 2. Supervisor, including faculty supervisors and volunteer supervisors; 3. Chair/director; and 4. Faculty member.
Like Midnight stated, contracts generally are prospective not retroactive unless retroactive language is included, if the prior contract and its accompanying language still governed he would probably be in breach but that contract's dead so now the current contract governs and it explicitly prescribes what he must do in these situations
This post was edited on 8/3/18 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 8/3/18 at 12:06 pm to slackster
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Information that would lead a reasonable person to believe sexual misconduct may have occurred involving someone covered under the policy, i.e., Zach Smith.
There's not even an indication that Urban knew anything close to that.
So, basically, you're taking speculation and filling in the blanks to support your argument.
Got it.
Posted on 8/3/18 at 12:14 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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Like Midnight stated, contracts generally are prospective not retroactive unless retroactive language is included, if the prior contract and its accompanying language still governed he would probably be in breach but that contract's dead so now the current contract governs and it explicitly prescribes what he must do in these situations
You're trying to tell me the policies and contract in place when it happened don't matter, but the contract in place now doesn't apply because it happened in 2015.
Think about that for a second.
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You're making my point, Section B, subsection 2 is NOT A REQUIRED DUTY, subsection 1 is "may also" words matter
That is determined by the Title IX officer, not Urban Meyer.
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Not "shall be made" not a required duty
Read the sentence. A report can be made by any individual. Read the paragraph - members of the university community have a duty to report.
Posted on 8/3/18 at 12:15 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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There's not even an indication that Urban knew anything close to that. So, basically, you're taking speculation and filling in the blanks to support your argument. Got it.
I'm explaining the reason why many of these posts are wrong. It is quite obvious that this entire thread is operating under the presumption Meyer knew.
I know you're just trying to be difficult.
Posted on 8/3/18 at 12:15 pm to slackster
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That is determined by the Title IX officer, not Urban Meyer.
Not slackster at TD, either.
Posted on 8/3/18 at 12:16 pm to slackster
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I know you're just trying to be difficult.
I'd just like for you to be accurate when you post something.
Posted on 8/3/18 at 12:17 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Not slackster at TD, either.
Correct.
I think I've don't a pretty good job laying out what could be at play in this case. I don't know the facts of who knew what and when they knew it, but these are the policies that would govern.
Posted on 8/3/18 at 12:18 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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I'd just like for you to be accurate when you post something.
You don't seem to have an issue with anyone who makes an assumption that Urban did nothing wrong.
Posted on 8/3/18 at 12:21 pm to slackster
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Correct.
Obviously.
Posted on 8/3/18 at 12:22 pm to slackster
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You don't seem to have an issue with anyone who makes an assumption that Urban did nothing wrong.
Who is doing that? I've seen people say that he shouldn't be fired or that they don't have all the facts. How many have made the assumption that he did nothing wrong?
Posted on 8/3/18 at 12:24 pm to slackster
YES BC THAT OLD CONTRACT’S DEAD, if All this stuff came out in 2015 then yes he’d be in breach and then OSU could terminate him for cause it’s OSU’s fault they didn’t enforce policy. He signed a new contract that doesn’t apply retroactively, your theory won’t hold up in a court of law Bc it’s absurd. He didn’t violate anything under his new contract lol.
Posted on 8/3/18 at 12:31 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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YES BC THAT OLD CONTRACT’S DEAD, if All this stuff came out in 2015 then yes he’d be in breach and then OSU could terminate him for cause it’s OSU’s fault they didn’t enforce policy. He signed a new contract that doesn’t apply retroactively, your theory won’t hold up in a court of law Bc it’s absurd. He didn’t violate anything under his new contract lol.
He didn't sign a new contract, he signed an addendum. That addendum replaces certain paragraphs and/or adds paragraphs to the 2012 contract, but his obligation to follow all university policies are still in place.
Contract Addendum
Posted on 8/3/18 at 12:34 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Who is doing that? I've seen people say that he shouldn't be fired or that they don't have all the facts. How many have made the assumption that he did nothing wrong?
Many on this board.
Regardless, you also seem to have difficulty following conversations on this board. Many of the times you've replied to me have been part of a conversation I was having with someone else. I'm not going to repost a disclaimer that this all is based on the assumption that Urban knew about the allegations every time I reply. Sorry.
Posted on 8/3/18 at 12:36 pm to slackster
You’re making our point dumbfrick, this entire thread is about addressing the 2018 addendum regarding Title IX. Man if you’re a lawyer you’d be a disgrace to the profession with that bullshite.
Posted on 8/3/18 at 12:36 pm to slackster
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Many on this board.
Link?
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Regardless, you also seem to have difficulty following conversations on this board.
And there it is...
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Many of the times you've replied to me have been part of a conversation I was having with someone else. I'm not going to repost a disclaimer that this all is based on the assumption that Urban knew about the allegations every time I reply. Sorry.
Your assumptions don't change anything I've said.
Sorry.
Posted on 8/3/18 at 12:37 pm to MidnightVibe
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The Urban Meyer Situation is NOT a Title IX Issue
I haven't chimed in on this or followed this very closely, but it seemed to me on its face an extremely strained interpretation of "Title IX" that something like this would apply to it.
Posted on 8/3/18 at 12:39 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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f All this stuff came out in 2015 then yes he’d be in breach and then OSU could terminate him for cause it’s OSU’s fault they didn’t enforce policy.
Are you saying that if you hide something from your employer, they can't retroactively take action once they find out?
I still find it absurd everyone is going off of this Title IX and University Policy strictly. If the University has the evidence most believe they have, they have the grounds to fire Urban if they choose to do so.
Whether or not they will is their decision.
Additionally, the real key here is what we don't know. If the situation is better than it currently appears Urban is likely safe, if there is more of a cover up he's likely toast.
Posted on 8/3/18 at 12:45 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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You’re making our point dumbfrick, this entire thread is about addressing the 2018 addendum regarding Title IX. Man if you’re a lawyer you’d be a disgrace to the profession with that bullshite.
, so you contend that Urban had no Title IX obligations prior to the addendum in 2018? Posted on 8/3/18 at 12:51 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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