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re: The Rooney Rule
Posted on 1/2/11 at 10:57 pm to hashtag
Posted on 1/2/11 at 10:57 pm to hashtag
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No. They have to interview a black guy
Are you telling me there is a limit on how many white guys they can interview?
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. So, even though Jerry Jones may think that Jason Garrett is the most qualified person for his job, he's going to be forced to interview a black candidate, regardless of his qualifications.
And he can also interview as many whites as he wants. And he doesn't have to hire the black guy.
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Posted on 1/2/11 at 10:58 pm to hashtag
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could just as easily say...
You could but it wouldn't hold up because whites almost always get interviews.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 10:59 pm to Rocket
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If you don't have a problem with blacks being interviewed, the rule shouldn't bother you.
i just don't get it. This is seriously so cut and dry. It's ONE more(?) interview. That's it. Nobody dies, and nobody misses and opportunity they would have had.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 11:00 pm to LfcSU3520
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just don't get it. This is seriously so cut and dry. It's ONE more(?) interview. That's it. Nobody dies, and nobody misses and opportunity they would have had.
The problem isn't the rule. The problem is slackhouse.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 11:02 pm to Rocket
the problem is making it a problem.
It really isn't. Again, forced hires would be a much different issue, but the rule itself is so minor that we initially debated if it was degrading.
It really isn't. Again, forced hires would be a much different issue, but the rule itself is so minor that we initially debated if it was degrading.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 11:02 pm to Rocket
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That would mean something if someone had asserted that 100 percent of blacks gave a damn about them. But, I don't recall anyone suggesting that.
But, this implicit notion that Jackson and Sharpton don't have much sway among black America that some of your fellow brothers have perpetuated just doesn't hold up when you consider the activities that both engage in on an annual basis. And Jackson and Sharpton have been doing what they have been doing for a while, Jackson a little bit longer. The problem is that some folks perhaps get a little defensive when a white person talks about Jackson or Sharpton, as if being a fan of one or either is something to be ashamed of and it's really not because there's no telling how many people have jobs because of them.
But EVERY time something about race comes up people refer to Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as if they speak for EVERY black person. Have you heard of ANY black person at a sports bar, stadium, store, etc complaining about black head coaches or lack of black head coaches in the NFL. Hell the blacks on ESPN and NFL network don't even bitch or cry about it. I don't hear them saying crap like "man we need mo black head coaches, man blacks aren't givin a chance." Seems like some whites assume blacks just sit around and bitch about other blacks not getting a chance at becoming a NFL head coach.lol.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 11:04 pm to Rocket
I do have a problem with someone getting an unfair advantage at getting a job solely based on race. If that makes me a problem, so be it.
I'm off to shower and go to bed.
Goodnight.
I'm off to shower and go to bed.
Goodnight.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 11:05 pm to LfcSU3520
The only people who have a problem with it are people who don't want black folk getting head coaching positions. Slackhouse appears to be one of those. He thought he had an argument for a while that he could use about equally qualified white candidates not getting interviewed and it doesn't hold up because whites have always gotten interviewed and been considered for jobs and gotten those jobs. To my knowledge, there is no limit on how many white guys a team can interview.
This post was edited on 1/2/11 at 11:11 pm
Posted on 1/2/11 at 11:06 pm to bayou2003
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But EVERY time something about race comes up people refer to Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as if they speak for EVERY black person. Have you heard of ANY black person at a sports bar, stadium, store, etc complaining about black head coaches or lack of black head coaches in the NFL. Hell the blacks on ESPN and NFL network don't even bitch or cry about it. I don't hear them saying crap like "man we need mo black head coaches, man blacks aren't givin a chance." Seems like some whites assume blacks just sit around and bitch about other blacks not getting a chance at becoming a NFL head coach.lol.
I'm really going to bed now.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 11:06 pm to bayou2003
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But EVERY time something about race comes up people refer to Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as if they speak for EVERY black person
Ignore those people. That is silly.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 11:07 pm to hashtag
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do have a problem with someone getting an unfair advantage at getting a job solely based on race. If that makes me a problem, so be it.
There is nothing unfair about it. White guys have always gotten the interviews and the jobs because the people hiring were white. There is not a rule for white guys because there has never been a need for one. Your argument doesn't work. I will shoot down any argument you try to make on this issue.
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I'm off to shower and go to bed.
Goodnight
I would be too if I were you.
This post was edited on 1/2/11 at 11:19 pm
Posted on 1/2/11 at 11:18 pm to hashtag
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I'm really going to bed now.
Stephen A Smith, Jemele Hill, who else. Now do you hear any black people out on the streets, at the mall, in person talkin about it? I know you don't because I don't hear the shite and I'm pretty positive I'm around waaaaaay more blacks every single day than you are.
Some people act like blacks are just sitting around being mad because a black person got fired from a coaching job or didn't get hired or interviewed. Seems like there's more whites worried about that shite than blacks. I can remember when Singletary got fired people assumed blacks would say "that's racist". You didn't hear ONE word from a black complaining about Mike not given a chance because of his race. When Herm Edwards got fired, nobody complained. When Dennis Green got fired, didn't hear anything from blacks. But as soon as they got fired I've seen and heard whites saying blacks would say "that's racist".
Posted on 1/2/11 at 11:19 pm to bayou2003
Well you know there are at least some blacks out there that think that some of those firings were racist. Even if you don't encounter them. You seem like a pretty bright guy so it's doubtful that you surround yourself with the type of blacks that would make that claim (the ones that aren't very bright)
Posted on 1/2/11 at 11:30 pm to LSUJuice
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Without reading this whole thread.... yes that is the assumption. The Rooney Rule forcing teams to interview candidates THEY OTHERWISE WOULD NOT INTERVIEW.
They wouldnt get interviewed because there is a good ole boys system in place where the same coaches are recycled. Not because these guys are less capable than others.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 11:36 pm to bayou2003
Posters have been acting like blacks havent been assistant coaches; I was always under the perception that blacks were stuck at the coordinator and positions coaches rankings for years
Posted on 1/3/11 at 8:06 am to StrongSafety
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Posters have been acting like blacks havent been assistant coaches; I was always under the perception that blacks were stuck at the coordinator and positions coaches rankings for years
True. I think Mike Singletary is the only one that wasn't in his position long. But he got the job because he did pretty good when Nolan got fired.
A lot of the black assistant coaches been at their positions just as long as the white ones but kept getting skip over when it came to being interviewed and getting a chance to move up to HC somewhere. People act like the blacks they are interviewing are newbies or something.
Funny when a young white coach moves up to HC nobody says anything, nobody talks about race, etc. Let a YOUNG black guy or a black guy that's been assistant for years become a HC then people say Affirmative Action, complain about Rooney Rule, etc. Strange how that works.
Posted on 1/3/11 at 8:11 am to Powerman
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Well you know there are at least some blacks out there that think that some of those firings were racist. Even if you don't encounter them. You seem like a pretty bright guy so it's doubtful that you surround yourself with the type of blacks that would make that claim (the ones that aren't very bright)
True but some people make it seems like all these blacks are sitting around crying because a black guy is not getting a chance to coach. I'll give you Ty Willingham, I can remember blacks AND whites talkin about what happened at ND.
Hell I don't recall any former black head coaches or assistants complaining about not getting a chance at an interview or moving up, maybe I'm wrong. Rooney pushed for that shite because he knew what was going on, been in the league for years.
Posted on 1/3/11 at 9:09 am to bayou2003
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I'll give you Ty Willingham, I can remember blacks AND whites talkin about what happened at ND.
Yep...but that's because he had a clearly better resume than O'Leary. And they gave him a lot less slack than they gave Davie and Lardass.
Of course, history tells us Ty never should have left Stanford. He got worse at each job he took.
Posted on 1/3/11 at 9:25 am to LSUZombie
If a team has a black coach as the interem hc, do they have to interview a white person in return?
Posted on 1/3/11 at 9:29 am to Kracka
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If a team has a black coach as the interem hc, do they have to interview a white person in return?
Did white people have a hard time becoming a head coach in the NFL? Seems like whites get hired left and right when a coaching position opens. We'll see who Denver, Cleveland and San Francisco hires. I doubt if all 3 of those teams hire a black coach.
ETA: Coaching position might open up in Oakland too, we'll see who they hire. You act as if all these blacks are getting HC jobs and whites are being left out in the cold.lol.
This post was edited on 1/3/11 at 9:31 am
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