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re: The NCAA and USC

Posted on 2/5/10 at 7:15 pm to
Posted by Trojan Ace
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Posted on 2/5/10 at 7:15 pm to
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Mike Garrett and money are two of the answers.


Those are the right answers.

All these conspiracy theorists make me laugh. I actually heard today that it is 1-2 scholies for two years for having illegal sports professionals in the locker rooms postgame.

That's it.

Nothing else is substantiated.
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge LA
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 2/5/10 at 7:21 pm to
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Those are the right answers.

All these conspiracy theorists make me laugh. I actually heard today that it is 1-2 scholies for two years for having illegal sports professionals in the locker rooms postgame.

That's it.

Nothing else is substantiated.


That would make sense. Lake has talked to anyone would would listen (and that is not many) But he admittedly (his attorney concurs) has absolutely no paperwork to support any claims he has or even how he had the money to give Reggie 3K per month. He won't talk anymore now, as he is awaiting a settlement. We can expect a settlment before court. And Michaels is bound not to talk.
This post was edited on 2/5/10 at 7:24 pm
Posted by Trojan Ace
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Posted on 2/5/10 at 7:27 pm to
From a Sports Law attorney:


People need to understand the scope of the NCAA’s authority to impose sanctions. The landmark case was in 1998 when Jerry Tarkanian’s case made it to the U.S. Supreme Court, where the Court ruled that the NCAA is required to follow due-process and that hearsay was not admissible.

What does this mean? First the NCAA can’t just stick its finger in the air and say “oh lets hit this school with a Lack of Institutional Control”, nor can it say “this OJ Mayo and Reggie Bush did bad things-- lets hit the school with infractions”.

For the NCAA to prove that there is a Lack of Institutional Control it needs to show that USC, more so than others or based on some number that is not subjective, has had more infractions AND that their response was not sufficient based on established NCAA guidelines. Those two factors are critical in any finding and are subject to due-process in the courts.

When people ask why 'SC reacted so quickly and harshly to the OJ Mayo case it was because they found that they should have not allowed his handler into the program - which maybe they think they did. They found internal fault with the BB program (this was not about the rumor of cash to OJ from Floyd) and they sanctioned themselves.

The finding of fault within a program can’t be subjective and requires due-process. The NCAA hearing this month with USC is part of that due-process and both parties will compare notes.

Also, as for the Reggie Bush case the NCAA has to prove that USC or affiliates/agents/boosters etc., knew of or supported Bush in the process of committing violations. I understand that all coaches and others were deposed on this issue and there is no evidence or even charge thereof that 'SC or affiliates knew of or were involved in any potential Reggie Bush violations. This investigation included both USC and the Pac-10. Which, is why USC feels confident in the face of any forthcoming sanctions.

Again, The NCAA has to have PROOF that USC did something wrong. However, if they have proof that Reggie Bush and his family violated NCAA rules while playing for USC, the NCAA has the right to vacate those games.

The Joe McKnight (driving the girl friend's auto) case comes down to whether or not this is a benefits violation that USC was aware of and did USC take appropriate action. If it was ruled a benefits violation and had he played in the Bowl Game, USC could have been in a position to have to vacate that game.


Tarkanian won $2.5M plus legal fees in an out of court settlement from the NCAA
This post was edited on 2/6/10 at 12:04 am
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge LA
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 2/5/10 at 7:32 pm to
Say it ain't so Ace. Yahoo.com and the collective td.com say otherwise.
This post was edited on 2/5/10 at 7:40 pm
Posted by crimsonsaint
Member since Nov 2009
37480 posts
Posted on 2/5/10 at 8:31 pm to
WOW!!! An attorney representing USC says the NCAA doesn't have enough evidence?? Did you think a lawyer being by USC was going to say anything different? You ppl are about to get hammered and there's no 2 ways about it.
Posted by ianrules22
Member since Nov 2009
2636 posts
Posted on 2/5/10 at 8:33 pm to
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They could get banned from having their games televised as well.
I don't think they do that anymore because of recruiting...
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge LA
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 2/5/10 at 8:42 pm to
I always wondered how the NCAA can keep a game from being televised? I mean the NCAA has nothing to do with network TV? I am sure it is more complicated than that. But on the surface it seems unconstitional for the NCAA to precent a network from showing specific games.

With that being said, you all keep getting your hopes up, just like you did for NSD.
Posted by crimsonsaint
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 2/5/10 at 8:45 pm to
What does recruiting have to do with? Idk whether or not they'll get a tv ban. Regardless, they will be punished. If recruiting suffers that's a punishment. Doesn't seem out of the ordinary.
Posted by ianrules22
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 2/5/10 at 8:46 pm to
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What does recruiting have to do with? Idk whether or not they'll get a tv ban. Regardless, they will be punished. If recruiting suffers that's a punishment. Doesn't seem out of the ordinary.
That's just what I thought but I could be wrong...It wouldn't make alot of sense though...
Posted by el tigre
your heart
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 2/5/10 at 8:56 pm to
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I don't think they do that anymore because of recruiting...


they also wouldn't want to lose hands down the biggest TV draw in the western 3rd of the country, and one of the top 3-5 draws in the nation. Ad revenue would suffer greatly for not only USC but also the Pac-10 and NCAA.

Secondly, a TV ban's intentions (video viewing blackout) in today's internet world would be damn near impossible to enforce compared to even 15 years ago.
This post was edited on 2/5/10 at 8:57 pm
Posted by crimsonsaint
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 2/5/10 at 9:06 pm to
If the ncaa takes into account the loss of revenue, then the ncaa is a joke. The ncaa was established to govern athletics, not make a profit. If they're more worried about their back pocket then doing the just thing, then they should cease to exist.
Posted by ianrules22
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 2/5/10 at 9:07 pm to
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the ncaa is a joke.
Posted by ATL_Tiger
Philly
Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 2/5/10 at 9:19 pm to
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The NCAA and USC
If the ncaa takes into account the loss of revenue, then the ncaa is a joke. The ncaa was established to govern athletics, not make a profit. If they're more worried about their back pocket then doing the just thing, then they should cease to exist.


You would think right? But isn't money their impetus for keeping the current bowl and BCS system?
Posted by crimsonsaint
Member since Nov 2009
37480 posts
Posted on 2/5/10 at 9:20 pm to
No arguing that
Posted by Trojan Ace
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Posted on 2/6/10 at 12:03 am to
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WOW!!! An attorney representing USC says the NCAA doesn't have enough evidence?? Did you think a lawyer being by USC was going to say anything different? You ppl are about to get hammered and there's no 2 ways about it.


Excuse me, it is a Sports Law attorney, and not someone working for the University or is connected to this matter any sort of way.

I look forward to the day when I smile knowing that what you all think is deserved is contrary to what will happen.

Fight On!
This post was edited on 2/6/10 at 12:05 am
Posted by crimsonsaint
Member since Nov 2009
37480 posts
Posted on 2/6/10 at 12:22 am to
Uh huh. Go ahead and post the link you got those quotes from then . What's the attorney's name? He seems pretty adamant and sure of himself for not having any connection to the case.
Posted by SeattleTiger19
Member since Oct 2007
4537 posts
Posted on 2/6/10 at 3:43 am to
If the NCAA banned USC from bowl games, why would they care about that hurting the PAC 10? Being honest, not a smartass with that question. Second, how does that hurt the PAC 10? If they still fill all their bowl requirements, they still bring in the same bowl money. Plus I am sure other teams can fill the rose bowl.
Posted by mta504
Member since Oct 2007
1136 posts
Posted on 2/6/10 at 11:31 am to
Noting will happen to usc 'cuz the NCAA sucks their dick.
Posted by el tigre
your heart
Member since Sep 2003
49712 posts
Posted on 2/6/10 at 2:26 pm to
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If the ncaa takes into account the loss of revenue, then the ncaa is a joke.


go ahead and drop that "if".
Posted by bayoujd
Member since Jan 2009
2895 posts
Posted on 2/6/10 at 4:42 pm to
I love how NCAA talks big about "student-athletes" and the importance of universities educating athletes and getting degrees. And yet, the NCAA lets football factory schools run roughshod over them when it comes to infractions, boosters, and agent type issues. And they do nothing, of course, about pathetic graduation rates. If they really wanted to put their money where their mouth is, they'd tie scholarships to graduation rates. That would change the mindset of universities.

I'd be incredibly embarrassed if this was going on at LSU. USC may not get hit with a big penalty, but they have taken a big hit to their image as a university.
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