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Posted on 4/23/13 at 9:23 pm to TigerCub
Wow. The cubbies win in spite of their manager. Ill take it
Posted on 4/23/13 at 9:24 pm to fightingtiger2335
Mikey, weren't we discussing LAST YEAR about ditching Dale?
No way he should be a big league manager
No way he should be a big league manager
Posted on 4/23/13 at 10:21 pm to mylsuhat
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YOU WANNA TAKE BACK YOUR MARMOL HAS BEEN GREAT?!
No. He has been. He still hasn't given up a run in 7.2 consecutive innings over 7 outings. Who would have been a better option in that spot? Anyone saying this was a bad move to bring in Marmol is clueless. Villanueva's longest career outing was 8.1 innings which he had reached and was at the 100 pitch mark. Dude was about to go through the heart of their lineup for the fourth time that night with the tying run on second base. Votto was 1-15 against Marmol. Phillips was 3-24. Bruce was 2-10. Even though 2 were left handed the percentages clearly showed those guys have struggled to hit Marmol. Marmol hasn't been designated the ninth iinning closer, but the numbers favored Marmol very heavily in that spot. If Villanueva had retired the first two he would have kept him in, anyone reached he was bringing in Marmol for the Votto AB. Anyone who doesn't see that is clueless.
Posted on 4/23/13 at 10:26 pm to Ryne Sandberg
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Mikey, weren't we discussing LAST YEAR about ditching Dale?
No way he should be a big league manager
Jesus you are clueless. I don't see you bashing Soriano for stealing second and third and then scoring on a sac fly which kept that Votto hit in the ninth from being a walk off instead of tying it up. Also busted his arse down the line to beat out an infield hit later in the game. Don't worry, he will strike out in a day or two and you can call him the worst player I the game again. 
Posted on 4/23/13 at 10:30 pm to PurpleAndGold86
Just seeing that we pulled one out tonight after blowing another lead. I'll take the :W: and the opportunity to post this. Lord knows I won't get the chance too many more times this year.
Posted on 4/24/13 at 7:26 am to medtiger
Posted on 4/24/13 at 8:48 am to PurpleAndGold86
Hey tell me again how many hits votto had off villy yesterday?
Posted on 4/24/13 at 9:15 am to mylsuhat
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mylsuhat
Glad someone else reads bleachernation...one of my favorite cubs blogs.
Posted on 4/24/13 at 9:17 am to fightingtiger2335
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Wow. The cubbies win in spite of their manager. Ill take it
scapegoat de jour. Dale is a great manager for the rebuild and possibly beyond.
Posted on 4/24/13 at 9:20 am to PurpleAndGold86
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No. He has been. He still hasn't given up a run in 7.2 consecutive innings over 7 outings. Who would have been a better option in that spot? Anyone saying this was a bad move to bring in Marmol is clueless. Villanueva's longest career outing was 8.1 innings which he had reached and was at the 100 pitch mark. Dude was about to go through the heart of their lineup for the fourth time that night with the tying run on second base. Votto was 1-15 against Marmol. Phillips was 3-24. Bruce was 2-10. Even though 2 were left handed the percentages clearly showed those guys have struggled to hit Marmol. Marmol hasn't been designated the ninth iinning closer, but the numbers favored Marmol very heavily in that spot. If Villanueva had retired the first two he would have kept him in, anyone reached he was bringing in Marmol for the Votto AB. Anyone who doesn't see that is clueless.
I agree. I think the sample size is quite small for votto, but i'm ok with pitching to him right there. Coin flip call in my mind.
As for marmol...leading the cubs in wins...that's painful to read, and also indicative of how stupid wins as a statistical category to qualify pitchers is.
This post was edited on 4/24/13 at 9:21 am
Posted on 4/24/13 at 10:13 am to piggidyphish
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but i'm ok with pitching to him right there. Coin flip call in my mind.
I agree with you here. But the issue I have is everyone saying how stupid Dale is for bringing in Marmol that spot. People are saying they would rather have Villanueva who had thrown 99 pitches and matched the longest outing of his career pitch to Votto instead of bringing in Marmol. That is just insane. I wouldn't have let Villanueva pitch to Votto for the fourth time in the game with a man in scoring position in a one run game. If no one had been, he would have stayed with Villanueva.
As far as whether or not to pitch to Votto - I could have seen leaving Villanueva in to walk Votto intentionall and then brought Marmol in to face Phillips with first and second and one out. I think Dale went with the school of thought of not putting the winning run on base with only one out in the inning. And then throw in that he was 1 out of 15 with 9 strikeouts against Marmol. So I agree with you on this one, he made the right decision based on the facts. It didn't work out. That's going to happen through the course of 162 games.
The folks in here saying that Dale is stupid and sucks as a manager don't understand baseball at all.
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As for marmol...leading the cubs in wins...that's painful to read, and also indicative of how stupid wins as a statistical category to qualify pitchers is.
Wins are definitely a stupid statistical category to judge a pitcher on. Travis Wood and Villanueva have exactly one win each, yet have been two of the better pitchers in the league to this point in the season.
This post was edited on 4/24/13 at 10:20 am
Posted on 4/24/13 at 10:33 am to PurpleAndGold86
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But the issue I have is everyone saying how stupid Dale is for bringing in Marmol that spot. People are saying they would rather have Villanueva who had thrown 99 pitches and matched the longest outing of his career pitch to Votto instead of bringing in Marmol. That is just insane. I wouldn't have let Villanueva pitch to Votto for the fourth time in the game with a man in scoring position in a one run game. If no one had been, he would have stayed with Villanueva
I agree. Tip of the cap to cubsden for the below which i think sums up the options (or lack there of) nicely
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Let's talk about the decision to bring in Marmol. Dale's decision's were a) a tiring Villanueva who got hit hard in the 8th, just walked Choo and was on his fourth trip through the order. B) Marmol off a two inning performance yesterday. 3) Russell who was off a 1.1 inning performance yesterday and hasn't been nearly as effective against Votto as Marmol has. D) Gregg, Loe and the rest of Gasoline Alley. Dale went to the stats. While you want to kill him because it was yet another blown save, I just don't see how you can.
Posted on 4/24/13 at 11:23 am to piggidyphish
anyone doing a new game thread for first pitch in 10 minutes, or recycle this one.
I'm not arround enough to update so it's on someone else.
I'm not arround enough to update so it's on someone else.
Posted on 4/24/13 at 11:35 am to piggidyphish
I just disagree.
Villt earned a right to win or lose. He has been damn good so far and the bull pen fricks him over and over again.
He looked pissed to come in. When he came out everyone fricking person knew that run was coming home. On two boards..this one amd cubs mlb board saw that hit coming. Who couldn't? The idiot that has no feel for a game and goes off numbers only. So you once again frick over villy and make everyone hate marmol more.
When one decision sleepy makes win us a game I will loosen up on him.
Villt earned a right to win or lose. He has been damn good so far and the bull pen fricks him over and over again.
He looked pissed to come in. When he came out everyone fricking person knew that run was coming home. On two boards..this one amd cubs mlb board saw that hit coming. Who couldn't? The idiot that has no feel for a game and goes off numbers only. So you once again frick over villy and make everyone hate marmol more.
When one decision sleepy makes win us a game I will loosen up on him.
Posted on 4/24/13 at 11:45 am to fightingtiger2335
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came out everyone fricking person knew that run was coming home. On two boards..this one amd cubs mlb board saw that hit coming.
well joey votto is incredibly good at hitting so yes it's not a giant leap of faith to say 'i bet he gets a hit here.'
it's a coinflip call...he leaves him folks are screaming, 'how coudl you let him go through that order for the 4th time when you know he's not a power pitcher and is starting to miss his spots'
he does what he did and people are pissed, I don't envy him trying to manage a team that is really really bad. Hopefully he doesn't end up like trammell and being the sacraficial lamb for people who have to blame it on someone only to be cast aside when the team actually has pieces in place that allow you to win.
also, rain delay
This post was edited on 4/24/13 at 11:47 am
Posted on 4/24/13 at 11:49 am to piggidyphish
I think more people would have been understanding letting villy win or lose.
But agree to disagree. If he keeps making wrong choice means we lose more he's fired and ryno comes home.
If cubs turn it around and play not at a100 loss season ill give him credit
But agree to disagree. If he keeps making wrong choice means we lose more he's fired and ryno comes home.
If cubs turn it around and play not at a100 loss season ill give him credit
Posted on 4/24/13 at 11:52 am to fightingtiger2335
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I think more people would have been understanding letting villy win or lose
I don't buy that for a second if carlos had served up a game ender to votto.
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If he keeps making wrong choice
Thats conclusory and i disagree with it. but liek you said, agree to disagree. i don't think he's making bad choices i think he has bad options (or lack there of options).
At least they won.
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If cubs turn it around and play not at a100 loss season ill give him credit
I think that's an unfair litmus test too because what if the FO sells everyone off again this year and its shark, wood brooks raley , chris rusin and Loux as the starting 5 with rizzo and castro being the only bats worth a damn in the lineup?
This post was edited on 4/24/13 at 11:54 am
Posted on 4/24/13 at 11:56 am to piggidyphish
Odd double post
This post was edited on 4/24/13 at 11:57 am
Posted on 4/24/13 at 12:16 pm to fightingtiger2335
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I think more people would have been understanding letting villy win or lose.
bullshite. All of ya'll would be complaining the same saying how that was stupid to leave a guy in who had thrown 100 pitches and was going through the heart of the lineup for the fourth time on the night. You seem to be one of those people that points out every sinlge decision you don't like and say the coach sucks. I know you have complained about the shifts before, but you never seem to give ANY credit when credit is due. In other words when a guy hits a hard grounder right back up the middle and Barney fields the ball and throws the guy out at first do you ever actually notice it and say, "Good defensive alignment". I'm just going out on a limb here, but judging from most of your posts I'm going to go ahead and say that no, you don't notice those times conveniently.
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