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re: TCU turns down Wisconsis rematch
Posted on 2/13/11 at 2:09 am to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 2/13/11 at 2:09 am to H-Town Tiger
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Louisville has tanked since Petrino left and Cincinnati after losing Kelly was terrible this year. Its generally harder to maintain sustained success at mid majors.
Well Louisville did put out some talent before Petrino and did have a decent amount of players since then. However, they replaced Petrino with a guy who just plain wasn't as good as him.
Who knows how Cincinnati will do, but Brian Kelly was helped out by D'antonio and Rick Minter laying out the foundation (and recruiting the talent) for Cincinnati's success from 2006-2009.
I think it's kind of interesting how 7 of the 10 draft picks that Cincinnati had during Kelly's tenure as head coach were defensive players.
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Posted on 2/13/11 at 2:13 am to H-Town Tiger
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i wouldn't include Missouri or VT.
I was on the fence with Missouri (They do have 48 wins in the last 5 seasons), but Virginia Tech has 10 wins in each of the last 5 seasons (7 actually, and 8 of the last 11). They have been the team in the ACC, followed by BC (45 wins).
Posted on 2/13/11 at 2:21 am to GamecockAlum
when you limit it to the last 5 seasons and by default require the inclusion of all of the last 5 seasons, I could certainly make an argument for TCU to be in the list.
I agree Missouri and VT struggle to make the cut.
While Wisc and even Alabama and Texas have had at least one if not two horrible seasons in the last 5.
ETA: Off to bed
I agree Missouri and VT struggle to make the cut.
While Wisc and even Alabama and Texas have had at least one if not two horrible seasons in the last 5.
ETA: Off to bed
This post was edited on 2/13/11 at 2:27 am
Posted on 2/13/11 at 2:31 am to Bleeding purple
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While Wisc and even Alabama and Texas have had at least one if not two horrible seasons in the last 5.
The only 2 with a "horrible" season on my list were 1. Texas who obviously went 5-7 this past season, but even with that, they've won 50 games in the last 5 seasons and won their division twice and conference once and 2. Alabama who had that shitty 2006 season, but have 36 wins the last 3 years and 49 in the last 5.
Wisconsin has 49 in the last 5, and didn't get the chance to play Ohio State in 2006 or they could have 2 Big Ten Championships in that span.
Posted on 2/13/11 at 11:26 am to Lester Earl
quote:Three consecutive top ten finishes and eight top 25 finishes in a decade doesn't qualify as elite to you? Then what does?
quote:
Why do all the polls and computers agree with me and disagree with you?
i dont think they do.
quote:Because almost every year they're better than about half these teams (and "national champion" and "elite" are not synonyms); they were better than all six of them last season.
Seriously, since xiv wont answer, how can TCU be called elite when put up against teams like LSU, Texas, USC, Bama, Florida, etc?
We've been over this. Don't accuse me of not answering something I covered before you even asked.
In fact, over the last three years, TCU has been better than all of them.
School - Final AP rankings, last five seasons - total ranking points
LSU - x 17 8 - 27
Texas - 3 2 x - 47
USC - 2 20 x - 30
Alabama - 6 1 11 - 60
Florida - 1 3 x - 48
TCU - 7 6 2 - 63
Ok, so maybe they're not elite, but they definitely are, according to your criteria, better than elite.
This post was edited on 2/13/11 at 11:44 am
Posted on 2/13/11 at 1:49 pm to xiv
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Three consecutive top ten finishes and eight top 25 finishes in a decade doesn't qualify as elite to you? Then what does?
again, why havent these same voters voted TCU into the national title game?
quote:
In fact, over the last three years, TCU has been better than all of them.
and they have zero hardware. elite program right there
Posted on 2/13/11 at 1:56 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
again, why havent these same voters voted TCU into the national title game?
because they thought other teams were better?
Just like they thought OU and USC were better than Auburn.
Posted on 2/13/11 at 2:07 pm to H-Town Tiger
Can't believe this is still going on
Posted on 2/13/11 at 2:09 pm to Lester Earl
quote:Because every year of the BCS, there have been at least two better teams on the first Saturday of December. Why do you keep asking this irrelevant question? What answer are you looking for? What could you possibly prove by this other than a crazy theory that only the top two are elite?
again, why havent these same voters voted TCU into the national title game?
quote:Falso. And irrelevant.
and they have zero hardware.
quote:This.
elite program right there
GCA gave us his criteria for being elite, and TCU fits those criteria.
You gave me five schools you consider to be elite, and TCU is better than all five of them in the past three years.
What the hell is wrong with you people?
This post was edited on 2/13/11 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 2/13/11 at 2:15 pm to xiv
quote:
Falso. And irrelevant.
what have the won? and how is that irrelevant? you cannot be elite without winnng championships. lsu had 2 in a 5 year stretch. and that is only one example. how does that even compare? recruiting classes in the 30's. lol
Posted on 2/13/11 at 2:19 pm to Lester Earl
quote:How many teams win "hardware" per year?
and how is that irrelevant?
quote:BCS championships? Conference championships?
you cannot be elite without winnng championships.
quote:Yes. LSU was elite during that five year stretch.
lsu had 2 in a 5 year stretch
This post was edited on 2/13/11 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 2/13/11 at 2:21 pm to xiv
quote:
How many teams win "hardware" per year?
1. they havent won one, much less even made it to the game
elite programs win championships
quote:
BCS championships? Conference championships?
bcs
quote:
Yes. LSU was elite during that five year stretch.
and they won 11 games last year and pull top 5-10 recruiting classes yearly. until kids stop wanting to play at lsu, they will be elite
Posted on 2/13/11 at 2:25 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
lsu had 2 in a 5 year stretch.
2007 was mainly by default, losing to Arkansas and Ky is hardly an elite type season.
Posted on 2/13/11 at 2:27 pm to Lester Earl
So you define elite as the top 1 team.
quote:It's about wins, not how many stars out of 5.
and they won 11 games last year and pull top 5-10 recruiting classes yearly.
quote:
until kids stop wanting to play at lsu, they will usually be elite
Posted on 2/13/11 at 2:32 pm to xiv
quote:
So you define elite as the top 1 team.
yes. what else is elite supposed to mean?
there are no elite college football programs that have never won a national title.
the choice or best of anything considered collectively
what exactly has tcu been the best at?
quote:
It's about wins, not how many stars out of 5.
its about both
recruiting is a direct correlation to winning and sustainability.
Posted on 2/13/11 at 2:34 pm to Esarhaddon
quote:
2007 was mainly by default, losing to Arkansas and Ky is hardly an elite type season.
only one team got these
kiss it
Posted on 2/13/11 at 2:36 pm to Lester Earl
quote:If only there were a book that answered such questions.
yes. what else is elite supposed to mean?
quote:It's a matter of opinion. Yours is the opinion of a person who has been backed into the corner built by your naming five schools, all of whom TCU has been better than in the past three years.
there are no elite college football programs that have never won a national title.
quote:Do you know what "collectively" means?
the choice or best of anything considered collectively
what exactly has tcu been the best at?
You're almost good at reading a dictionary.
TCU has proven that they're elite. There is nothing you can do or say to change that. Sorry.
This post was edited on 2/13/11 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 2/13/11 at 2:42 pm to xiv
are utah and cincy elite too?
Posted on 2/13/11 at 2:42 pm to Lester Earl
Luck. We hardly had an elite type season, just got a shot b/c no one else did. In 2004 13-0 Auburn didn't get a shot but i don't think that makes our 07 team better.
This post was edited on 2/13/11 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 2/13/11 at 2:46 pm to Lester Earl
quote:No. Why?
are utah and cincy elite too?
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