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re: T-ball topic.. Other than fun, what is the goal teaching kids or winning games?

Posted on 5/22/13 at 11:44 am to
Posted by Bleeding purple
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Posted on 5/22/13 at 11:44 am to
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I'd kick him off the team so his mom is forced to give a shite


So the only positive adult male role modles he has would be quitting on him becasue his mom is a dumbass whore? Yep that will help him.


Thinking you can force that mom to do anything is laughable. She will just drop him off at the park, or let him run free at home.
Posted by Bleeding purple
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Posted on 5/22/13 at 11:49 am to
Ok got my answer to initial question.

F/U question.

Our league does not have a 1 base over throw rule. We have tried (successfully with the exception of one team) to get the opponents coach to agree to a gentlemans rule of 1 base on overthrows. We feel that this stops the chaos of infielders constantly trying to catch up with the runner by over throwing progressive bases. We prefer to teach them to throw to first or other attempted out and if over thrown get it back to the pitcher and stop the play.

Do yall think this is a good method of teaching infield?

FWIW I know football not baseball. I have told the other coaches that I am hesitant to coach at the next level because teaching bad habits helps no one.
This post was edited on 5/22/13 at 11:51 am
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 5/22/13 at 11:53 am to
Competition is great for kids. No matter what, we are in competition with one another in some fashion in the real world. Teaching kids to compete makes them want to have the drive to succeed. But, with that comes great responsibilities: teaching kids to lose with grace, never cheat, to always respect their opponent, and to always remember that there are more important things in life than a competition.

With competition, there are winners and losers. It is tough to see a kid lose, but how we deal with defeat defines us (not just our success). If you take this away from kids, they may never know what they are made of.

If you keep competition, the onus is on the parents to support their kids in the agonies of defeat. Taking competition away from kids makes it easier on the parents, and only hurts the children.
Posted by TH03
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Posted on 5/22/13 at 11:54 am to
yea true. she's going to be a selfish whore no matter what, but that doesn't make it right to punish the kid for it.
Posted by WDE24
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Posted on 5/22/13 at 11:58 am to
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Our league does not have a 1 base over throw rule.
In tee ball there should be a zero bases over throw rule. However, up to the next level, it should be one base. The next level should have no limit.

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We prefer to teach them to throw to first or other attempted out and if over thrown get it back to the pitcher and stop the play.
I always want them to make the throw to first. That is a basic fundamental to be taught to that age group. They can't physically catch for the most part, so taking bases on over throws is silly, IMO.
This post was edited on 5/22/13 at 11:59 am
Posted by Bleeding purple
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Posted on 5/22/13 at 11:58 am to
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Taking competition away from kids makes it easier on the parents, and only hurts the children.



I would go further to say it only gives the illusion of taking it away. Last year our leauge did not keep score. The kids still talked about playing better or worse than the other team. They are going to compete even if you think you have removed that pressure. It is simply human nature.
Posted by WDE24
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Posted on 5/22/13 at 12:00 pm to
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Last year our leauge did not keep score. The kids still talked about playing better or worse than the other team. They are going to compete even if you think you have removed that pressure. It is simply human nature.
I think not keeping score is better at that age only. Not necessarily for the kids, but for the coaches. Keeping score causes all of the issues you are asking about and retards the focus of teaching the fundamentals.

Coaches start worrying about getting outs and/or runs by any means necessary. Kids start abusing overthrows by taking extra bases, coaches then start teaching kids to roll the ball to avoid overthrows and get more outs. Bad for the kids, IMO.
This post was edited on 5/22/13 at 12:06 pm
Posted by Methuselah
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Posted on 5/22/13 at 12:02 pm to
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T-ball topic.. Other than fun, what is the goal teaching kids or winning games?


Ironically, last night my family and I were sitting down and watching some old camcorder VHS tapes from when our kids were little. One of them was one of my son's early t-ball games. Fun stuff.

To answer your question, at T-Ball, it is teaching kids the game and making it enjoyable for them so they continue on in older years. Nothing wrong with winning of course.

I didn't coach t-ball but did a good bit of it at 9-10 and 11-12 levels later and always had good success. My handout put our goals as something like this:

"To play as good baseball as we can. To have as much fun as we can. And to win as many games as we can."

Reading through this thread, I think WDE24 has the best feel for it. If you have a decent organization and are willing to put a little time in to do preparation, you can make it good for the kids and instill a love for the game in them. Success will follow.
Posted by Bleeding purple
Athens, Texas
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 5/22/13 at 12:05 pm to
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Keeping score causes all of the issues you are asking about



It definately motivates some coaches and parents to moave away from the learning and having fun focus.
Posted by WDE24
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Posted on 5/22/13 at 12:07 pm to
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It definately motivates some coaches and parents to moave away from the learning and having fun focus.

Yeah. T-ball is all about basic fundamentals and having fun. While winning is fun and learning how to lose is necessary, keeping score gets in the way of the primary goals of t-ball. There is plenty of time for learning the lessons of competition from coach pitch on up, IMO.
Posted by Methuselah
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Posted on 5/22/13 at 12:21 pm to
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FWIW I know football not baseball. I have told the other coaches that I am hesitant to coach at the next level because teaching bad habits helps no one.


Dude. If you have the interest of the kids at heart, are willing to put the time in to do the organization and communication, and are able or can learn how to motivate the kids KEEP COACHING.

The game at these levels needs people like that much more than people who are technical experts but just don't know how to get the most effort out of the kids and parents.

If you need help with technical things, there will always be a couple of dads (even mom's sometimes) who can help out. Also, other coaches at different age levels will help you if you have specific questions.

You won't regret keeping with it.
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